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this daily madness over omicron shows the madness + weakness of people + the markets. endless speculation of what, if ,why ,when , maybe , might. cv19 isnt going away is it. simple. a lockdown after xmas is a certainty surely. hundreds of people mixing all over the world + omicron is spreading like wildfire. so wheres the uncertainty. most shares are gonna fall till this variant passes. theres no santa rally as santa cant afford the petrol prices. wheres the bottom, who knows but this isnt it. a good topping up on the dips could be a good bet. but the wait may be a while. anything below £16 should pay off, eventully.
It's all irrational I agree & the 24 hour news channels & BBC in the UK like to over-egg the pudding its the nature of the clowns, but while Omicron is more virulent that the previous 4 variants it's also the least grim - that is the way it goes - for 99% of people it will be little worse than a sneeze & runny nose for a day or two.
Never mind we can also look forward to the BBC trying to make an issue out of a 'party' at 10 Downing Street a year ago ... ...
''for 99% of people ''
1% of 70 million = 700,000
santa rally is already on mate, ftse was at 7100 at one point yesterday morning, I know because I bought it at 7127 and raking it it in since, not finished yet either long way to go
Yes - but circa 90% of the 1% will just have a day or 2 in bed, have a lem sip/paracetamol and be fine, most of the remaining 10% of the 1% i.e. 7,000 people will be people that have chosen because it's their right not to have a vaccination - so I personally have no sympathy for them as they will bring it on themselves - in fact they should be denied NHS treatment for their deliberate daftness but they obviously won't. Tragically there will be some people who cannot have the vaccine who will be effected and probably even some that have had the vaccine that will have a bad reaction - but that's a pandemic - some people have a bad reaction to the winter flu and some die every year
Who needs the expertise of SAGE etc when you have f18 knowing the future figures and the virtual non effects from future Covid 19 cases - 172 deaths today.
f18
btw 10% of 700,000 is not 7,000
f18 I like your thinking (but not your math)
Hopefully Darwin will take care of the anti-vax clowns
"Hopefully Darwin will take care of the anti-vax clowns"
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It is 'almost' like a form of natural selection. Darwinism has been superceded by Trumpism!!
Bloody missing zero :-)
on the beeb 4 out of 5 covid cases in intensive care are not vaccinated.
Like I said, Darwin knew his onions
"on the beeb 4 out of 5 covid cases in intensive care are not vaccinated.
Like I said, Darwin knew his onions"
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I'm not sure why they aren't being given a bill by the NHS at the end of their treatment....most 'sensible' people have reduced their risk by being vaccinated. Why should tax payers pay for lemmings who seem intent on throwing themelsves off a cliff!!
Controversial ...but that's how I feel.
As Brits do we not support ‘freedom of choice’ ? This includes the right of people to be idiots if they so choose. Like many things of value, it comes at a high price. After all, people can choose to smoke, drink, eat junk food ….
https://youtu.be/BwaQRTo1Efo
Retain the choice but accept the consequences and specific personal contributions to health care cost is reasonable in my view. I’m with bald-eagle, and whilst the examples given on smoking, junk food etc are valid, they are not a president in this case.
Lol….. auto correct….. precedent not president!
"As Brits do we not support ‘freedom of choice’ ?"
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We have 'freedom of choice' but only within accepted norms of behaviour....otherwise it would be the 'Wild West'!!
Smoking, junk food and alcohol are all addicitve to some extent. A legal addiction that has been normalised....so as a society we accept the consequences of that addiction. However IF there were a vaccine that reduced the risk of harmful addiction from smoking, burgers & booze I reckon the 'personal choice' argument would shift....and society in general would get a bit annoyed at paying for something that could be avoided (or the risk reduced).
Sure, they have the personal choice not to reduce their risk but there are consequences. People who jump off buildings with a parachute pay a higher insurance premium than the average person....the NHS is simply a public health insurance scheme.
People who jump off buildings with a parachute pay a higher insurance premium than the average person...
Surely that only applies to optional private health insurance. How does that increase their personal contribution to the NHS?
I'm not aware that the NHS gets additional funding directly from individuals who engage in hazardous activities.
Regarding 'accepted norms of behaviour': We are free to act (or not act) as we choose provided we do so within the law - which is where our democratically elected law makers have responsibility. Vaccines are recommended in the UK rather than mandated, a change in that policy would be significant and require legislation. Introducing charges at the point of health treatment would be rather 'wild west'.
"Vaccines are recommended in the UK rather than mandated,..."
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Boyobach, I don't believe I said that vaccines should be mandated. Only that there should be consequences when a person 'freely' chooses not to be vaccinated.
One of those consequences might be the ability to use scheduled flights, say if a third country demanded that arriving passengers be fully vaccinated, then it would be a 'consequence' of remanining unvaccinated. It would be a person's 'free' choice not to be able to fly to that country.
Same with the NHS....perople can remain unvaccinated but IF they get hospitalised and receive treatment they should (IMO) bear a cost for their self-imposed increased risk. No reason why the 90% of vaccinated tax-payers should fund all of that treatment and tacitly encourage their decision on vaccination. Consequences - encouragement(!) maybe - not mandation seems reasonable to me.
Same with most things in life. I can do 'almost' anything I want to do but there are consequences to each & every decision. If there are no consequences then it is a version of 'Wild West'!!
""People who jump off buildings with a parachute pay a higher insurance premium than the average person..." [Baldeagle]
Surely that only applies to optional private health insurance."
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Boyobach, my analogy wasn't perfect. But yes, people who 'base jump' should really have private medical insurance. But thankfully there aren't 6 million people doing that sort of thing every day. If there was and the hospitals were getting clogged up with them then 'perhaps' society would be a bit 'annoyed' by their behaviour and their risky lifestyles....freely chosen!!
These people who go up into the mountains in winter wearing trainers & T-shirt, then have to get rescued by helicopters & mauntain rescue teams. The rescuers have to put themselves in danger and the cost must be huge. All because some 'numpty' had the free choice to do something stupidly risky. Give them a bill for getting rescued I say.....consequences!!
I think we are chasing semantics BE, as well as shifting the subject to other behaviours - it's a slippery slope !!!
When something is ‘recommended’ (rather than mandated) then there can be no penalty for declining to do it. If the NHS were to charge some patients because they declined vaccination then this would effectively be a penalty. Being vaccinated to comply with terms and conditions of employment or to travel etc. etc. are entirely different matters, of course.
As for ill equipped numpties climbing hills etc… do we really want strict H&S legislation governing where we can go and how we dress? Accidents can happen even to the most experienced and well prepared. I think it would be a disproportionate curb on our freedoms. We need the emergency services for genuine accidents - so the cost is embedded. As someone else here said, Darwinian selection has stupidity covered.
"When something is ‘recommended’ (rather than mandated) then there can be no penalty for declining to do it."
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It would depend on what one means by 'penalty'.....If I choose not to follow a recommendation then there may be consequences.....whether those consequences equates to a 'penalty' is up for debate.
Even the tax system is used to encourage certain types of behaviour and discourage others without mandating things. I suppose to some tax is a penalty....but to others it is a consequence or an encouragement (depending upon POV).
"As someone else here said, Darwinian selection has stupidity covered."
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I think it was a joke!
Some people have to be discouraged from behaving in certain ways for their own good and also for the good of society.
If the NHS was an unlimited resource then I would agree with you. But it has to be protected so that it can get on with tackling ailments other than covid and of course the backlog. Having 6 million people with increased risk from the virus has to be tackled by encouragement and making people aware of the consequences of their decision. Mandating vaccination would be a mistake...I am OK with increasing the 'consequences' of remaining unvaccinated. It is because I am selfish and if I have to go to A&E I want to be seen is a reasonable time (especially if it is life threatening).
Ah! - the balance between ‘nanny state’ and ‘personal freedom’ can keep two old dogs gnawing at the same bone indefinitely. I think we’ve past the point where prolonging this debate was useful, although we do seem to agree that mandating vaccines would be a mistake. So it’s purely about how greater take-up should be encouraged? I think that needing medical care due to covid is an adequate consequence in itself and that applying a charge at that point would be inconsistent with the role of the NHS and too late to influence the earlier choices made by affected individuals. I also think that, by that late stage, the reality of Natural Selection might not be perceived by them as a joke. The US approach, in some places, is to pay people to take the jab: I don’t approve of that but would have to concede that it’s more likely to be effective as an incentive than NHS charges.
"The US approach, in some places, is to pay people to take the jab: I don’t approve of that but would have to concede that it’s more likely to be effective as an incentive than NHS charges."
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The Jabbathon continues Christmas & Boxing day.....so maybe a few hesitant people will be 'encouraged' by the prospect of a mince pie or just to escape having to watch 'It's a Wonderful Life' again....in America I heard they give free beer that's more my cup of tea!!
Merry Christmas to all genuine people....extra-terrestrials excepted of course!!