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Ive got quite a few of these now so waiting for under 470s, if that happens or not im not fussed as LnG to go Ex then will start piling back into them, also re instated back into mng- meanwhile Iran and Israel are still sizeing eachother up so maybe more downside to come , looks like Israel are pssing close to Iran nuke site as a warning meanwhile Putin is rubbing his Billocks as the world attention moves away from Ukraine
Morning Deepjoy
In an ideal scenario maybe but like to tax my brain and yes sometimes would be nice to just let them do there thing and take the Divi and sometimes I do if I miss the boat, always get miffed to fck when they fall way below due to the shte situations that are going on in the world and the only thing I know is to use it to an advantage if the fundamentals are solid,, nothing is certain and to date have done well to follow my instincts , have increased my pot far more than just waiting for the dividends so maybe ive just been lucky
Couldn't resist. Bought a few @475.46. Hope that this is the bottom or near to the bottom. Now, will sit back and enjoy the generous dividend. Will top up if it falls lower.
So, good luck everyone.
I wish Tek Baloney would look up the difference between capitol and capital. For such a free market wheeler-dealer, you'd think he'd get that right instinctively. Oh well. Sloppy is as sloppy does.
'...It’s served me ok on DEC has it not GG? Perhaps folk should have a peak at your posting history and see how you spend most of you life in a boiler room bashing one stock...'
That's right, Trek Baloney, I've been calling DEC a fraud for over a year, in that time it's share price had more than halved and the dividend has been cut by 66%.
Just back home and can’t believe PHNX finished up! Even had a buy at under 476 filled today and obviously the ones above went through.
Let’s hope it’s a recovery now from the divi blues and the broker recs with a steady return to +500p.
Trust me I much prefer to just hold!
Don’t think this has been posted here. I don’t subscribe to the views but the finance breakdown chart is quite good.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/phoenix-group-holdings-plcs-dividend-110748276.html
Usual caveats
Trek
Trek Baloney, I guess you were too busy today to answer this, so I'll just post it here for you, you know, for when you can spare the time to share your genius :
'...I bought PHNX, just a few a 479 average and posted a stop. ..'
'...when I looked all my PHNX shares had been sold and I nearly made £400!..'
Trek Baloney, you truly are an investing genius ! You hit your stop loss, the shares got sold, and yet you still made money ? C'mon, share your secret. How'd you do it ?
GG the stop was set higher than the average buy. Doh. They actually went up 8-10p that day from memory. My stop was set higher than my average. It’s no wonder you don’t make any money!
And they have gone back in again and the stop is set higher than my average again. Stops work well where there is a tight spread and liquidity. So do buy orders.
Got any HEX yet… I am trying to help you if you get past your ‘acidity’. Folk spend ages looking for an opportunity like that.
Good luck and apologies to the PHNX BB.
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Trek
Next stops will be set on Monday as looks like may have another relief rally following ME. Well let’s hope so!
Trek
'...GG the stop was set higher than the average buy. Doh...'
You see, Trek Baloney, there is no such thing as a 'stop' order to set a share sale at a pre-determined higher price. Not in ii, not in HL, not in any UK retail investment brokerage. Stop orders are designed to kick in to limit losses. Now, you could place a 'limit' order to lock in a profit on sale if a share hits a certain price. Which you'd know, if you actually traded shares. It's a way for people to protect their capitAl.
Here you go, Trek Baloney, a simple explainer for you. Might help in your future BS posts.
Limit Order:
A limit order is an instruction to buy or sell a security (such as shares) at a specific price or better.
When you place a limit order, it will only execute if the market price reaches the pre-defined level.
If the price does not reach the specified level, the order remains pending and will not be filled1.
Types of Limit Orders:
Buy Limit Order: This order allows you to buy a share at a price set by you. It triggers when the offer price drops to or below your specified price.
Sell Limit Order: With this order, you can sell an existing shareholding at a price set by you. It triggers when the bid price rises to or above your specified price2.
Stop Loss Order:
A stop loss order is another type of order used to manage risk.
When you set a stop loss order, it triggers a sale of your existing shares if the bid price falls to or below a specific price (the stop price) that you’ve chosen.
This helps protect your investment by minimizing losses in case the share price declines after you’ve purchased it2
Don’t get the obsession GG. Obviuosly you are rattled by my performance on DEC! Pssd on your chips there too many times! Lol!
The stop was set here after the buy when the SP had gone up. To cover my position. Pretty obvious really!
I have been fortunate trading this as it was a ‘forced trade’ brought about by the xd, broker downgrades, Fed hawkishness and the ME conflict. All at once!. An axiomatic trading opportunity when you rationalise it, so nothing clever really.
Some investors act on that data and others stick it out which is fine. I just happen to be an active investor..
At times of high volatility I do hold some and trade some like at DEC which has obviously upset you. I did well here when Liz Trust had her budget and I posted my views to hopefully help folk consider selling and buying back cheaper. Which I did throwing off loads of cash over those few days.
Occasionally you get a winner like this. Makes up for the duffers and PHNX has been good to me just like DEC and HE1 has of late.
Now I am back in here as of Friday for hopefully another leg up next week and I may add to my position if I have any change after adding to MNG and HEX.
I won’t be jumping in here though as sub 450 is as likely as 500p on the chart. So I will average in and may again sell some spikes and recycle to try and get a good base to hold from so as to maximise the yield ahead of September.
Whilst this has more yield (50/50) MNG is still a play (2/3 1/3 divi) as it should have more capitol (lol) gain.
But then for you it’s easy just bashing from the sidelines with all your hindsight and not making any advance calls. And you note how I call what I execute in advance!
And as I say I only trade a stock or trade and hold a stock that I intend to hold. That takes the pressure off!
Oh by the way you missed out trailing orders from below.
Hope they are paying you overtime for the weekend mate or is it just your troll infatuation!
Buy some HEX with your overtime!
Now kindly let’s leave this BB alone!
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Trek
Trek Baloney, don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing you, I have no opinion on your 'wins' or 'losses', I'm outing you as a fantasist, a liar.
Trek baloney, you don't even have the intelligence to see how ridiculous a statement like '...The stop was set here after the buy when the SP had gone up. To cover my position. Pretty obvious really!...' actually is. There is no such thing as a stop in this context, as everyone but you seems to know. But then, you say capitol, everyone else says capital. Lol.
Trek Baloney, just one more thing - in the past few days, you've made the followiing statements about your reasoning for selling PHNX. You've gone from selling 'some' to 'a load' in order to build a position in TRR, or was it a forced trade brought about by the xd, broker downgrades, inflation outlook, the Middle East situation, so is it some of those, all of those, or none of those ? Hard to keep up with your shifting storyline.
'...“ I sold some yesterday. Only because I found TRR and needed some funds to build a position there. Still got majority in here though.‘...'
'...But also took a load out at around 5:56 To buy TRR as posted before...'
'...I have been fortunate trading this as it was a ‘forced trade’ brought about by the xd, broker downgrades, Fed hawkishness and the ME conflict. All at once!. An axiomatic trading opportunity when you rationalise it, so nothing clever really....'
GG
I don't post much these days but do circulate reading the boards, where I have or may acquire an interest.
You have called Trek a liar on a public bulletin board which isn't a very good look and reading back over this spat, without foundation. You should apologise for over stepping the mark of decency.
My experience of TM is that he is genuine and does try to help other investors. I remember his contributions to the DDDD board some years ago, which were always positive.
Trek, you don't need me to tell you how to suck eggs, but I'd suggest you gracefully move on.
Apologies to the PHNX investors for this interruption.
Normal service will resume shortly :)
'...My experience of TM is that he is genuine and does try to help other investors...'
Really ? Care to share some examples of his help ? What proof do you have that he's genuine ?
Inmv the company is in a sound place, but is caught into a trap of so called institutions together with larger players who short uk stocks such as this. Maybe if the government could actually addrese this and then UKplc will progress going forward.
Some one posted a valid point either on here or advfn which suggested that dividends should be paid quarterly. Excellent suggestion inmo so maybe the bod will look at this going forward. It will certainly sort the spiv brigade out inmho
Greygeorge, see you're annoying posters on this Board now as well as on DEC board !! I also think Trek Madone contributes positively to the Boards, a simple review of his posts is enough 'proof' for us that he is genuine and you don't have to read his posts if you don't want to !!.
What 'proof' do you have that he's not genuine ?!!
Inmv a great investment and fully understood by the investment community of what is left of hamlet of uk . the square millimetre . true brits inmho.
Question is what will this lot go after next.
I bet they dont go after Bae or RR.
‘ On Friday, RBC Capital Markets adjusted its outlook on Phoenix Group Holdings PLC, a leading UK life insurance company. The firm increased the price target on the company's shares to GBP6.15, up from the previous target of GBP6.00, while reiterating an Outperform rating.
The revision came after Phoenix Group's stock exhibited a notable underperformance compared to its sector and the broader market. Year-to-date, the company's total share returns were down by 7%, while the UK life sector and the FTSE 100 index both saw gains of 11%. Despite this underperformance, RBC Capital noted that Phoenix Group now trades at a fiscal year 2025 dividend yield of 11.6%, which is not only near the lowest it has been in the past five years but also higher than the average yield of its peers, which stands at 9.6%.
The analyst from RBC Capital highlighted that the attractive dividend yield has led some investors to question the company's performance. Addressing these concerns, the analyst underscored Phoenix Group's positive attributes, including its improving cash generation, earnings, and leverage ratio. The firm emphasized that the company's dividend is sustainably covered, a fact that they believe is not currently reflected in the stock's valuation.
Phoenix Group's commitment to maintaining a solid dividend payout appears to be a key factor in RBC Capital's positive stance. The analyst's comments suggest confidence in the company's financial health and its capability to continue rewarding shareholders, despite the recent underperformance in its share price.’
https://au.investing.com/news/company-news/rbc-capital-raises-phoenix-group-stock-target-maintains-outperform-93CH-3209138
Australian link.
Trek
Ps thanks guys
"Berenberg cuts Phoenix Group price target to 650 (739) pence - 'buy'"
Roger moore increases it to 8.50