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Given the apparent momentum swing in Nanoco's favour regards a positive outcome, I took this morning's RNS as a signal a settlement was more likely than ever. Of course BT says see you in court. Historical data suggests settlement most likely and will be preferable to both parties going forward. Samsung have invested massively in QD display R&D and will want to future proof their ongoing development. Ongoing developments already potentially in the pipeline will rely on a good working relationship with Nanoco in the future given Nanoco's own patent filings in this area over the last few years. Risk assessed - seems a no brainer for Samsung to ultimately settle before judgment and Nanoco want to be involved with by far the biggest company involved in QD display.
I very much agree Crow. Samsung might see advantage in dragging the case out further to starve NANO of funding but since it is not manufacturing CFQD on a commercial scale and does not have capacity to supply Samsung it is not a competitor in manufacturing terms.
A potentially smaller settlement pre trial seem to make more sense than risk a much larger payment post trial. Samsung can then carry on making CFQD and push ahead with its new manufacturing plants.
BT’s only strategy is to make clear that NANO is prepared to go to court. To do otherwise presents Samsung with the upper hand. In any event NANO’s case appears strong, so why would it not progress to trial? Recent events must increase (but not eliminate) likelihood of settlement, rather than reduce it.
Both camps (settlement, no settlement) have shot their arrows at this point. One of them will get to draw the target around where it lies very soon and claim all the retrospective plaudits.
Sometimes it's just about wanting to be right... LOL
if we all ultimately come out richer than when we started.......who cares, really.
Nigwitty - I bet you said much the same thing before each and every one of those cases you lost at court.
Back on the “YOU ALL” nigwitty - please go away, we’re all extremely fed up with your pompous postings - they contribute nothing…zilch…
I hope people will forgive me for prefacing this post by saying I am in the completely udecided group about whether Samsung will settle or not. My question here may sound related but it is only tangentially so. I don't really want to encourage the continuation of the debate as I don't think any of us can really know. What I am wondering is to what extent (if at all) people think Samsung need Nanoco for further development in the area of QDs. If we assume S now have (via whatever means) N's initially and important discoveries, what about subsequent discoveries which may lead to much better non cadium QDs? Do people think S have the expertise to run with it from here on their own or might they need Nanoco some time in the future when, say ,N produces much better QDs and sells them to Samsuns's competitors? Is that likely? unlikely?
Screenlearner, some good questions which I don't know the answer to.
Is it realistic to think, however, that Nanoco and Samsung could collaborate again in future? Surely too much trust has been lost?
SL - really the point I was trying to make. Current litigation involved Nanoco's claim to pretty fundamental claims to basic synthesis of QDs. A pipeline of development springs from that and Nanoco have been busy subsequently and filed multiple patents. Given Samsung's claimed infringement and their own product development their research is certain to have overlapped in many aspects as it's derived from the same methodology. Assuming Nanoco's claims upheld Samsung would be wide open to future litigation unless a future working agreement is forthcoming.
@Crow2, I acknowledge your post which was earlier than mine! I think my questionn is subtly different although
N has patented improvements to the seeding process which enables the production of better red and green dots, green in particular (+15 yrs of patent life remaining). As such, N are able produce red and green dots superior to Samsung's, and entirely free of both cadmium AND indium phosphide.
Furthermore, N have invented a method for producing high quality 2d QDs and other nanomaterials at scale. 2d QDs have the potential to significantly exceed the performance of the current generation of QDs.
Basically a troll confusing rude condescension for logical analysis.
Forgive us for not rising above it.
Screenlearner... After struggling for a while on their 'much better Cad-free QDs' project, I suspect Samsung may well approach Nanoco to solve the problem of mass production of said 'much better Cad-free QDs'... ?
i'LL TRY AGAIN: , @Crow2, I acknowledge your post which was earlier than mine! I think my question is subtly different although it is based on the same fundamental idea of the possible need for future collaboration. What I am unclear about is whether only Nanoco's first discovery is truely ground breaking and the rest is just an edifice which others could easily build once they know this first discovery OR have Nanoco produced (and may be are continuing to produce) a series of ground breaking discoveries that other's such as Samsung are unlikely to be able to keep up with unless they have Nanoco's help?
I had a problem with my computer so was slow to finish my last post. In the meantime there were serveral good and helpful posts by people who replied before I sent off my 'completed' post. Many thanks for these.
@Sammy88, I agree a lot of trust has been lost., but we mustn't forget that Samsung is still some 90% of the market. Nanoco might be wise to swallow any desire for 'just retribution' and make money by working with the 'only' game in town.
Appreciate that Screenlearner, I'm just saying you can't just go back to the old relationship after all that's happened.
Samsung will probably want and need as much of Nonocos expertise and innovative ideas as they can get hold of.
The only problem that I see is that ATM, they want it for nothing or are willing to steal it.
Regards Nanoco, why they should really want to work again with 'basically criminals ' who are never to be trusted again under any circumstance.
IMO Nanoco have been placed under 'trial' by Samsung for some time and the bullies need to be taught a lesson, made to provide substantial recompense and then maybe things might settle down so that sensible and legitimate negotiations might get started again.
Give these bar stewards an inch and they'll take a mile, as they've proven already.
@Sammy88
Spot on.
If Nanoco win LG will be licking their lips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDypuifsE80
Hi crow2 - this might help you with that thought of yours relating to future development / IP / joint working with Samsung. The science is way past my comprehension so I haven't thought about the angles you raise.