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Up again.....
Up again...
I like the way that despite decent results (that have clearly been well received) we still have our two favourite analysts saying that we're a big sell and trying to ruin the party with very little to back it up...
Good to see AHL improve, last few months, and keep and eye on this, as makes a lot of money towards our dividend. Good overall results today and patience needed but great long term buy still. Including dividend makes it for a good return overall over 3-5yrs view. GLA
we see a couple of shorters jump in and say Man has made no improvement since early August. Then, AHL was $1.22 and GLG has shown upward movement in at least 4 of the past 6 weeks. If this wasn't improvement the Q3 Interim statement shows improvement in all areas during the last 3 months, only negative was the slight loss due to the exchange rate. If this is the level of brokerage offered by those two shorters, Espirito and Numis, then it proves my point further. Man's share price would be a healthy 150p+ if not for the arrogant abuse of the LSEx rules.
Yes AHL does provide more profit, if only because of its lower overheads. However, if we only suspeced, we now know that performance of any security means very little in the London Stock Exchange, (LSEx). MarketMakers are allowed to flout the LSEx rules and set what price they like irrespective of any performances. Especially to milk any unsuspecting investor of their money. A thought that keeps coming to mind is that the big banks were just as arrogant about misleading their customers, (clients), until . . . . . . .
indeed....anyway, these market losses should be profitable for Man if their AHL funds are locked into the trends - they have done a pretty good job so far this year. obviously not so great for the others, but AHL, etc. does create the best performance fees. must say , am pretty shocked by how far the FTSE has fallen in a month - down another 1.8% or so as I write.
doesn't amount to 10% profit Just seen that the rats are still not happy with their deeds, even the bankrupt one.
more like rats (Still trying to figure out how 118.3p.1 to 116.3p, less the fee and taxes amounts to a 10% gain). I must try and find a more generous broker!!!
i am happy with 10% trade so i am taking my money ,thank you man.
387 trades 845,285 sells v 602,743 buys and price goes up 6p in 15 minutes. Nothing unexpected in today's report. So why was the price hauled down yesterday,( not forgetting previous days drops). Has LSEx allowed itself to become totally corrupt ?
nice
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/man-group-funds-under-management-061621782.html London Stock Market (LSEx( controlled by thieves and robbers?
It just goes to show that its not been just a joke, but a 'bldy sick joke'. The mm's have been pulling this share down for months not just a day or so. For example, without reason, the mm's have hauled down from 126p to today's starting 113p, milking the system as they go, There certainly has not been evidence at all of a sell off, as buys have outnumbered sells on many occasions. Its more of the case that they conspire to create any opportunity to plunder peoples investments at times that are contrary to the news. If there is news to back up such a mauling of Man's price then it is insider information being leaked and should be investigated thoruoghly. When, with little doubt, other misdemeanors will out.
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/hedge-funds-bleed-abbvie-reconsiders-155150392.html
You are correct, dduck, as at 4.30pm buys v sells were level. Nothing in the performances or news to even suggest anything but a rise in SP, especially as AHL as had improved yet again. Same thing has happened as pre the last results and insider dealing rumours appear to be rife, However, that last set of results produced were so positive that the price was driven up again by them. It would be a sad reflection but it seems that the LSEx's control has evaporated and are cowering away from Financial Terrorism. No more of my money is going anywhere near the LSEx. I hear that sentiment from several investors or would be investors more and more as I travel around the UK. (IMO EMG would be a strong buy but only in a proper market, not the LSEx at the moment).
the way this is pulled up and down. I wouldn't mind if there was MAN specific bad news , but there isn't. likewise, the other asset managers are barely down today....more insider knowledge being leaked before tomorrow. such a bunch of crooks in the City.
it would appear now.
yes, have noticed that - requires more than a cursory glance. were holding our own up until 1ish, and then down we are taken. notice that ADN and ASHM are barely down today. this manipulation is so predictable...
Man have changed the performance presentation, but looks to me as though AHL has just about cracked your $1.33 @ $1.3296. I make it a .0052 rise for Tuesday added to Monday's 1.3244.
hopefully there'll be many positives in this update. looking for a high level of performance fees and good integration from the US acquisitions. AHL appears to be coping fine still......long may it continue!
So why the drop again, was the selling, hardly as the buys over the two days were certainly not less than the sells. Was it some poor performance, we now know is wasn't as AHL has consistently risen on the days in question. We know GLG is improving, Quite easy to see that it is almost invariable that Man's share price has moved in the opposite direction to the news of the daily news on its AHL fund. So is it the greedy mm's trying to make up for their failures and bankruptcies by shorting prosperous companies. Defacing the values of those companies into the bargain, would be, according to their literature, against the the LSEx's rules. In fact the shorters in these cases would be doing as much or more harm to the UK as terrorists. While the irresponsible regulators are clearly not doing their job as laid out in their rules.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/luxembourg-court-declares-espirito-santo-123920833.html. Why do they allow bankrupt banks to have mms?
Any such talk of there being a t/o bid is not very likely yet as the current and potential acquisitions complicate matters. As for being happy with the share price, there were plenty of people investing on the favourable news yesterday so much so that the buys outnumbered the sells. I'm confident that they did not invest at the higher prices knowing that the share price was going to fall by as much as 9% even after many of the investments and within that trading day. How daft would that be? The news for Man's funds and FUM are still good today yet the mm;s still sit on Man's price. Why, well I agree with you about a t/o but do not think it is just a rumour, (not likly yet for reasons already said). However, that does not stop a t/o bid from being maniplulated. Strange co-incidence!!!!! is that the party I suspect i.e. Gold Sachs loaned one of Man's market makers Espirto Santo a lasrge loan, (finance.yahoo.com/news/man-group-confirms-talks-buy-073012518.html), just before ES went bust.(http://online.wsj.com/articles/goldman-made-big-loan-to-banco-espirito-santo-shortly-before-collapse-1409574474). (http://online.wsj.com/articles/goldman-made-big-loan-to-banco-espirito-santo-shortly-before-collapse-1409574474). finance.yahoo.com/news/man-group-confirms-talks-buy-073012518.html especially the quote ''Phil Dobbin, analyst at Espirito Santo Investment Bank, which acts as market maker for Man'' Espirito going bust - acting as m,m for man - shorting man to the hilt with the aid of not just freinds and associates. Running down a company that people are investing in because it is prospering, is exactly against the rules of the LSEx. It similarly has affected my wealth on a number of occasions, LSEx has not carried out my requests to stop it, therefore I believe LSEx owes me considerable compensation, and a lot of other investors to boot I would believe. Futhermore, the question of did Goldman Sachs lend Espirito what was required to short Man to suit its own ends of pulling down and holding down Man's price to facilitate a cheaper t/o bid, needs to be investigated. looks to me that Man's acquisition activities has provided the time for it. In case someone remarks. The Strong Buy option I choose is based on that the LSEx will act and that Man's performance that has improved dramatically and will remain high or improve further.
Manipulation can only be short term and if you think its going on, exploit it. You only have to buy and sell at a price you are happy with. Artificially low=buy, artificially high=sell. Personally, I'm not into conspiracy theories and the priceon the day represents what people are happy to buy and sell at. Full stop. Sentiment is an factor that is hard to price, and to me can be measured as the delta between what an sp should be in theory and what it actually is. I stepped back from selling off before the last results, but expect it to bubble up before the next,and if it reaches my target, I'll be out. Need to start a T/O rumour to coincide with the usual pre-results fizz.