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I don't think Baylan could afford to be openly anti concession in a 3 way meeting without following up with a negative decision. This could be a good outcome since Budge would have the perfect justification to go legal.
Should the Sami be prepared to talk turkey it could well be Baylan who is outvoted.
Lbjj. It's a thought. But the danger in having a 3 way meeting where 2 of the 3 are opposed, is that you get out voted.
Of course the people of Norbotten County and Modig will benefit also, but they're not blocking. (I should have added that last bit).
Suzy2 - Given they are not doing their job, then what? We all sit on our hands and wait for something to happen? You're right that people in the area will benefit too. I wasn't particularly clear. Sorry. Perhaps I should rephrase a little. As a shareholder of BEM myself and not as a resident of Norbotten County, my shareholding will benefit from a decision. Thus given I am a stakeholder in this, I have a choice - do nothing or do something. I will benefit if I do something. I won't benefit by doing nothing. The Sami on the other hand, as those responsible for reindeer husbandry can do nothing - and they will benefit. The point being that BEM could find a way to demonstrate to the Sami that doing something, they will benefit more. Think Mo Mowlem's role in Northern Ireland. Of course, the people of Norbotten County inc Modig will benefit also.
Time for Budge to earn his corn is long overdue. How about Budge calls a three way meeting - company, Sami and Baylan.
All hands visubke on the table and Budge to state that a conclusion to suit all parties must now be reached and point out to the Sami that opposing any mine purely on principal is not a winning strategy.
The applucation is legally watertight. Budge must extract agreement on that point which jylust leaves an accommodatiin which appeases the Sami and allows Baylan to grant the concwssion.
If engagement with their own process is rejected then legal action must be 'on the table'for all to see.
Afternoon. Takayama, as you know, my previous, should be taken in the context of both, that BEM has submitted their proposals nearly eight years ago, and that the KU report did not fault the applicant, but did document the Governments many failings.
The proposals make the arguments for Kallak to be mined, with the necessary legal and moral responsibilities within those proposals, that must protect the environment, protect the movement of reindeer/herders and protect everyone’s rights, including the Sami culture. Kurt Budge, with his previous actions has demonstrated that he has, always fully appreciated the need to engage positively with everyone effected by any mine. We know of no details of any negotiations to date. However, it is time for the Government to make a decision, and if the Government can win some consensus with their decision, resulting from some positive input from those that have previously failed to engage with the process, then we all welcome that. Imo only. atb
"And since it's going to be BEM that would benefit..."
No, no, no...you keep saying that and it's quite wrong. Linda Modig is the elected member of the Riksdag for Norbotten County, the poorest county in Sweden and she believes they desperately need the mine as does Robert Berhardsson, the Mayor of Jokkmokk. I agree with Aug, it's the Government's responsibility, there's a Minister for Culture, a Minister for Rural Affairs and a Minister for Enterprise and Industry...they should do their job.
Suzy2 and aug59 - I don't disagree with you for the most part. That the Sami repudiated, of course. But I'd say all the more reason to find a way to engage! The issue about ownership - well yes, you're right, but perhaps politically it is viewed from a wider perspective. Aboriginal land rights are an issue the world over. It is not for BEM to make anything happen? Well, of course, you're right. That's what process is for. But I guess that sometimes, you have to work outside whatever the process is to help it along. And I'd say this is the time. So if it isn't BEM's responsibility to make anything happen, then who? unfortunately, the answer is no one. And since it is going to be BEM that would benefit, I'd suggest it would be worth the effort.
Did you see Lady Gaga...wasn't she awsome. ;-)
TSP- based upon conspiracy theories that say we won't get the concession so LKAB can have it then I'd say it is good news, but if I knew the Swedish politician and Sami mindset then I'd be a very rich mining concession advisor!
I meant nobody knows yet what they've got.
Ubbe posts whatever he thinks is negative, he's anti the mine. Nobody knows yet that they've got and it's likely to be hard to get and costly.
not sure this helps BEM??
From Ubbe on avanza
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/norrbotten/lkab-har-hittat-mer-malm-tror-pa-produktion-bortom-2060
It looks like LKAB have more ore after all - hopefully it helps BEO
And who could blame us for being cynics.
… has been sound, and straight forward! First, we explored to prove a resource to be commercially viable. Then we submitted an application for the award of concession. It is not for BEM to make anything happen. It is for the Government to measure the submitted proposals against Swedish mineral policy, and make a decision. Brazil is not a consideration. BEM has played by the written rules throughout the process, however, the same cannot be said about the Government, because it has failed the applicant, all confirmed by the independent KU report. “Conflict” is only for those who promotes it, and should not apply if the ‘will’ is to co-exist, which has been successfully demonstrated at other mine sites in Sweden. A cynic might argue that, what is needed here is, a little more focus on the application, and what it proposes, and a little less on the applicant at this time. Let’s not muddy the waters. atb
Not forgetting of course the benefit to the community in jobs, and for every job generated in the mine more jobs are generated in the community...result happiness and prosperity.
From Ubbe on avanza
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/norrbotten/lkab-har-hittat-mer-malm-tror-pa-produktion-bortom-2060
It looks like LKAB have more ore after all - hopefully it helps BEO
Another matter you mentioned Takayama...ownership, even if the Sami did own the land and they don't, no landowner owns the minerals in the bedrock and that law if widespread it applies in the UK. The Government owns the minerals; the landowner gets his percentage, the Government get whatever tax they impose and the Company with the Licence to mine get's whatever profit it can get in the market.
Yes, I agree with you Hasty but the reasons for that delay are slightly different, it's a stupid deadlock all round. Takayama...I've been in this a long time and it's my belief that the Company have done all possible to engage with the Sami Village and they've been repudiated, which is disappointing to say the least. The success of this mine will be good for Jokkmokk and that isn't my opinion because I'm completely unqualified to say that but those who know, the elected member of the Riksdag for Norbotten and the Mayor of Jokkmokk to name just two are convinced that this Project will be a great boon for the area, for ever, for everybody.
Suzy I am sure Boliden wouldn't agree as they seem as exasperated with the whole process.
Suzy2 - That's a company statement designed to reassure the investment community. At the end of the day, there is something on the Sami side suggesting they are not happy. The Swedish government knows about that (and so does BEM, I'm sure), hence the swedish government's letter to UNESCO - it's a 'conflict' between the interest of reindeer husbandry and mineral exploitation. The point is you want the reindeer herders to say the mine is a good idea - or at least their best option. They haven't. So that's the key. Work out why and then address the issue. You can address it three ways: (a) ignore their concerns - I'd suggest that ain't gonna happen as easily these days in Sweden as perhaps it would have done 50 years ago. The world has moved on. And Sweden is more progressive than most. It ain't Brazil. (b) rely on process to deliver the outcome - hmmmmm, ok. That doesn't seem to be working. or (c) identify what their 'price' is and get them to buy into the project. I'm as convinced as you that this is doable. But the Sami aren't. Regardless of how many statements the board issue. Long term, Kallak is going to happen, and when I mean long term I mean within the next 300 years. The key to doing it now is to find a way with the Sami to help them understand that doing it with BEM is their best bet. So BEM have to construct that 'bet' and present it to the Sami beyond what they've done already. What I see from the company announcements it is us against them. How about finding a way that it is presented as 'the Sami have helped us devise this and it is in everyone's best interest '? I don't know why the Sami are not on board. Sometimes it can be down to a personality clash between the people sent to resolve these issues. That stupid. So I'd suggest, with what is at stake, the board approach it again or differently, whichever applies. Relying on process ain't gonna do much.
All very quiet......
There could of course be a quite different reason for the failure of this process more connected with who owns it.
Everybody concerned knows that a mine at Kallak will not prevent the Jahkagaska from carrying out any part of their work. Anybody who can be bothered to read the Company's statements knows that every effort has been made and will be made to engage with the local community.
"As the Company moves forward with the project, we will work more closely with Jåhkågaska, to learn from their annual reindeer herding management plan ("renbruksplan"), such that we can plan together our mutual activities. Kallak represents only about 0.5 per cent of Jåhkågaska's available pasture lands, and Jåhkågaska's 4,500 reindeer make up less than ten per cent of the total number of reindeer that are present in Laponia over some part of the year."
Why would they do that...would they give up their mobile phones and lap tops and let children in Africa dig up the minerals needed for the Green transformation of the Planet. GT is a vegan and I can't see her being a big supporter of the reindeer industry...ruminants are bad news.