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Agree with that but aren’t we talking about a sum of money for the whole repayment that I thought we’d already put aside ? Someone put this up a few months back that the average payout would be low and potentially well save on the deal. Any truth in that ? Sorry I can’t remember who posted it.
Franky …. Look at you n me agreeing !!!
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The court aren't stupid and are above the politics that the FCA are subject to. 95% is so overwhelming that I think its rather tough for the FCA to win this and totally block the scheme. They could have done that easily by now and haven't because they need to balance customer fairness with the needs of the economy. They aren't trying to oppose the scheme in its entirety regardless of how the press report it. They want to find the balance that in their eyes is missing. To ask Shareholders to put more in...well how exactly?? diluting the shares to make a scheme better will take until next year to do. Only option is to offer more future money in pot so thats all we're negotiating on. 1000% confident thats where we're at. Chuck another 5% in and the FCA can be seen to have played their role.
The bit that amazes me is how many people across all the platforms are surprised by the FCA’s stance … this was known back in March ??? Today has been good news and confirmation of old news. Do people even do any research anymore? Or have the GameStop “ stonks only go up “ mentality taken over entirely?
I did wonder when JPM and Bybrook got involved what their motives was and a seat at the big boys table in those circumstances would make sense. Rights issues have been done before amidst a volatile background but like I said I just don’t see it.
hedged - we are at 15% already not 10%
It’s unthinkable this getting blocked in anyway. I’m about as sure as I can be or have been since this all started that we are all good now.
If I’m wrong this will be an even bigger con job than Debenhams. And that’s saying something!!!!
Hi Mark, the SP isn't stable enough to do a raise either is it?? Perhaps bybrook and JPM will clear us out and then buy up the shares of us PI's nice and cheap, refinance and the enjoy the ride thereafter? I won't dismiss it but seems highly disruptive and against what creditors want. 95% YES tells me that most of them didn't have much to complain about and want any money they can lay their hands on cos its free and unexpected.
There's not going to be a fund raise. This would take months and months at great expense to do hence its never been on the table. The business would fold before that ever got the light of day and has been discounted as a route. We'll up the pot to 20% IMO.
Only problem would be what a rights issue would look like with the sp where it is. To raise the required amounts I dunno …..
I could see a comprise of Amigo increasing the redress levels, and possibly a rights issue/fund raise via shareholders. But only as a last resort option/worse case scenario.
The FCA wont have to approve Amigo to start lending again, though.
It is only right that the company is not allowed to fail. It should be kept in operation and future profits used to meet the amounts due to creditors over a period of years. Dividends should not be allowed until reasonable creditors' claims have been met. If the company fails creditors will receive less than would otherwise be possible and administration would cost millions that would reduce creditor payments even more. Hope the judge will analyse the business plan and key assumptions to validate the projected future profits and possible future creditor payments. A win win solution is possible in spite of the useless FCA.
The fca need to investigate debt camel as I bet she was shorting.
Agree 100% cjmarritt19
FCA notified Amigo and SchemeCo after market close on 23 March 2021 that, having completed its assessment of the terms of the Scheme, while the FCA does not support the Scheme, it is not currently proposing to take any additional regulatory action that might stop the Scheme were it to be agreed by the Scheme creditors and sanctioned by the Court, but the FCA reserves the right to change its position. This is based on information currently made available to the FCA, including the skilled persons report, relating to the Scheme, which is in the process of finalisation. The Scheme creditors are Amigo's 700,000 past customers, 300,000 present customers and the Financial Ombudsman Service (the 'FOS').
24th March 2021 let the judge look at this statement from fca
The FSCS scheme is only for companies that have gone bust
The £800 for FOS is to cover the running cost for FOS to deal with the case
The FCA are just covering there own arse. They have probably had lots of complaints from Sarah and people from debt camel. And when all this goes threw and approved it would look bad on FCA if people never got what the expect. At least if they put up a token objection then no one can blame them if it goes pair shaped for the customers. Its obvious FCA dont want Amigo to fail or they would have brought this letter out before voting had finished. They know the judge wont stop this now because its the customers who have voted yes. Read between the lines, Amigo is more or less telling us the outcome of the vote in that RNS today. Hold them golden tickets
Maybe in future the FCA look at ways to include Amigo in the FSCS scheme. The FOS gets about £800 per complaint they are asked to investigate, where does that money go to ?
Agreed mark
Not once has the board stated it’s the fca that has stopped them. They stopped to concentrate on the redress and have held off until they can lend with limited risk of further sanctions.
The Fca didn’t stop us lending in the first place
ATrades, if Amigo, for example, up the redress rate from 10% to 20%, then this would need customers approval?
I thought that wasnt the case.
Judges hate wasted court time ! I believe they knew this was coming and there is a little sweetener (prob at shareholders expense) being worked on. The only issue is any proposed deal would need approval....again.
The court hearing of the scheme takes place on 19 May, and my guess is it will still be successful. Even if the FCA thinks the deal is unfair, 95% of creditors appear to be happy with it. And they’ll get nothing if the company goes bust. I’d be surprised to see the court going against the clearly-expressed wishes of creditors and forcing a worse outcome.
As the FCA are required to sign off if we are to lend again I suspect the BOD are stewing over how they can position themselves before next week to stand the best chance of getting through the court case. The risk is that even if it does pass the court, the FCA can delay is lending again.
@grant1987
100% agree, the FCA are never going to force us into admin. That’s in no one’s interest! Would also be more damaging than doing nothing. - this is either going to be a larger share of profits, or a larger initial fund.
The political fallout by forcing admin would be awful, this is just a balancing act now!