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Hewhodares1 - "Never has and never will be a vaccine for [bubonic plague] as it's treated simply with common antibiotics! That's embarrassing!"
The CDC says plague vaccines have been in use since the 19th century...
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00041848.htm
...but the WHO doesn't recommend it unless you're in a high-risk groups (such as laboratory personnel who are constantly exposed to the risk of contamination, and health care workers).
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/plague
Also, none have been approved in Europe or the US as their effectiveness has never been measured precisely. I assume that's because there are only a few dozen cases a year worldwide, which would make testing a vaccine impossible.
Hope he makes a speedy recovery, fingers x.
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RE: French prime minister briefing nowToday 08:04
@ professor my dad had the vaccine 2 and half weeks before he got COVID and he is very ill in hospital with gullyian Barr syndrome possible side effect of COVID and vaccines.
Do you think the environment and living conditions played a part.?
Do you think a lack of knowledge regarding nutrients had an impact?
And can you tell me how many thousands of people that have never had any form of vaccinations have managed to live a healthy life?
I’m always happy to learn more info.
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RE: French prime minister briefing nowToday 08:04
SPD, you replied to doc saying his lost was utter nonsense, it's your post that is nonsense. I suggest you do a tiny bit of research on the history of vaccines before you talk such rubbish. Let me throw a few stats at you (my job is directly in this field).. do you know what the average life expectancy was from 1600-1900? 42 yoa in 1850, for one. Do you know how much of the European population were killed as a result of previous pandemics such as the black death, the Spanish flu, the Justininan plague, smallpox, particularly in Latin America? Over a quarter of the popul6for all of them. Huge death tolls, while recent pandemics such as the Asian flu, Hong Kong Flu, the Russian flu of 1977, MERS, SARS, all have much lower death tolls. Take a guess as to why the death tolls fell exponentially for these later pandemics. I'll give you a clue..starts with V.
Also, the death rate from this one may be 0.2%, for the overall population, it's well, well, well above that stat for the over 70s. Are you saying you would accept a 10% death rate for this age group? If you say no then you've contradicted your own post.
Sorry, gets me annoyed when I hear uninformed and unbalanced opinions.
Scinv
Correct nothing to stop others using processes of neubulised interferon .But what is patented is Sng001 and the IP of hopefully the robust and exceptional findings throughout all the stages of covid19 Also its agnostic antiviral effects all respiratory such as COPD and hopefully the P3 will demonstrate benefits to long Covid and its neutralizing affects on all emerging coronavirus mutations .Not all our competitors will have this exceptional data
Agreed Tommy that it's a different proposition but is it that different? French ministers sounded bullish (with good reason I would think). Extavia is made by Novartis, not exactly newbies. Am pretty sure they sussed that it could be nebulised effectively before the trial started. Am just imagining what happens if they get decent results in a few weeks before us? What's the market going to think? That we're super different because there's no mannitol or albumin? Or that now we have Extavia and who needs another inhaled interferon. I am not deramping! I was genuinely concerned yesterday when I realised how far Extavia had gone.
P.S. Almost as if RM knows what he is doing ;-)
Good to have a price point to compare with. Floor has fallen through previous arguments about the 'expensive' price for SNG.
Correction Extavia is Interferon beta 1b. SNG001 is Interferon beta 1a. But Extavia is being nebulised. If you look it up on BNF it's a powder. It's being mixed with water for inhalation.
Extavia is in a lyophilized powder form. It is normally mixed with a 0.54% Sodium Chloride Solution and then injected into MS patients.
For inhaled method they are mixing the Extavia powder in 2mls of water then nebulizing it.
https://www.drugs.com/price-guide/extavia
Gives an idea of cost in the USA. 2-3 times more expensive than SNG001s proposed price. Not sure on costs in EU.
Thanks Matml..... I can't seem to find much info on this French trial.
I thought both SNG001 and the MS drug were both beta?
Meelie, Extavia is being trialled in a nebulised form in France. I suspect this is what the health minister was talking about as the trial has been running since July 2020.
how can it be the same but different
Splodge2001..... I don't think Extavia is the same drug, it's the MS drug, isn't it 1b not 1a? I also thought it was injected?
I got the impression that both injected Extavia, and inhaled SNG, were being trialled in France.
Someone will confirm on here.
Is anyone concerned about the possibility that Extavia will get there first? I must admit I hadn't realised there was a nebulised trial going ahead. I thought it was suspended. It's exactly the same drug, just a different formulation.
Hurtle, you are 100% correct, so I applaud you, genuinely. That being said, if you look at the pandemics I mentioned they were all examples where vaccination has had some impact (well, apart from the black death), being flu viruses or smallpox. I didn't mention any of the wider variety of previous pandemics that there is no vaccine for.
I may be deluding myself but statistically I should be low risk but that is an unknown.
What is also unclear is the efficacy of all the different vaccines depending which data you believe.
So despite probable limited use to me I will get vaccinated on the off chance it stops me spreading it to someone else for whom it might lead to life changing debility or death.
That’s my risk analysis. It might help me or even might not be great be for me but there’s a fair chance it might unintentionally stop me harming others.
Not true.
'Death tolls' were falling exponentially for most things before vaccines due to better sanitation, other healthcare and food availability.
@ professor my dad had the vaccine 2 and half weeks before he got COVID and he is very ill in hospital with gullyian Barr syndrome possible side effect of COVID and vaccines.
SPD, you replied to doc saying his lost was utter nonsense, it's your post that is nonsense. I suggest you do a tiny bit of research on the history of vaccines before you talk such rubbish. Let me throw a few stats at you (my job is directly in this field).. do you know what the average life expectancy was from 1600-1900? 42 yoa in 1850, for one. Do you know how much of the European population were killed as a result of previous pandemics such as the black death, the Spanish flu, the Justininan plague, smallpox, particularly in Latin America? Over a quarter of the popul6for all of them. Huge death tolls, while recent pandemics such as the Asian flu, Hong Kong Flu, the Russian flu of 1977, MERS, SARS, all have much lower death tolls. Take a guess as to why the death tolls fell exponentially for these later pandemics. I'll give you a clue..starts with V.
Also, the death rate from this one may be 0.2%, for the overall population, it's well, well, well above that stat for the over 70s. Are you saying you would accept a 10% death rate for this age group? If you say no then you've contradicted your own post.
Sorry, gets me annoyed when I hear uninformed and unbalanced opinions.
Ps737 - once the majority of vulnerable people are vaccinated herd immunity will take over. For those who choose not to get vaccinated, they are at minimal risk of serious illness and it's their choice. Issuing passports and more importantly denying them to vast numbers of people is just plain wrong. Less than 8% of the population have contracted covid despite 3 waves of infection. I have heard many experts say this will become endemic and act like seasonal flu. We dont run around terrified of flu yet it kills around 15,000 people every year in the UK, and 2018 was a particularly bad year. The worldwide propaganda campaign has terrified people to the point they have lost leave of their senses
My wife's uncle announced to me last week 'if you get covid you are dead" a close friend of mine who is a financial adviser, an intelligent business man told me he would rather have cancer than covid. Just 2 examples of the madness out there.
Agreed let’s back to SNG!
Totally agree,
It would surprise me if the previous flu jabs and medication have made the over 70’s more vulnerable. Would like a study to be done on that.
SNG a natural occurring protein is the only way, with minimum side effects if any!
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RE: French prime minister briefing nowToday 01:23
I wont be taking the vaccine either. With a death rate of around 2% of those infected and 0.2% of the population (most of whom are over 70 and already at risk of any viral infection) I'm afraid this has been massively over played. I'm sorry for those who died, but while daily covid obituaries are read out on news channels daily, thousands of others are dying of other causes without a word about it. And Doc "you'd have never been born without the last 100 years of vaccination programmes." What utter nonsense. How exactly do you think the world population grew to where it was up to 100 years ago? No vaccination has ever been forced upon anyone because personal health decisions are just that, personal and to suggest travel and work should be restricted to only those vaccinated is a very scary prospect and a slippery slope. It's like saying why not let the government put a GPS tracker on everyone. If you are doing nothing wrong what's the problem, a bit intrusive though isn't it? This will end up in the courts for years. Can you imagine the economic effect of say an extra 10 million people out of work and who will never work again? Madness to even suggest it. Once the vulnerable and elderly are vaccinated, ie the most at risk of serious Illness and death, the infection rates will fall dramatically. Vaccine effect on transmission has yet to be confirmed. If it turns out it doesn't stop transmission, then what's the point in me getting vaccinated against an illness that poses minimal risk to me and doesn't stop me getting it and passing it on?
Why are people not prepared to take this vaccine? What do you think it is going to do to you exactly? We have been taking flu jabs for years and the flu is a corona virus. Vaccine passports are a vital thing that must happen to get the worlds travel sector moving again and to allow the majority of people who want to go on holiday to do just that. I certainly don’t want my 25 year career to end over this bloody virus.
I wont be taking the vaccine either. With a death rate of around 2% of those infected and 0.2% of the population (most of whom are over 70 and already at risk of any viral infection) I'm afraid this has been massively over played. I'm sorry for those who died, but while daily covid obituaries are read out on news channels daily, thousands of others are dying of other causes without a word about it. And Doc "you'd have never been born without the last 100 years of vaccination programmes." What utter nonsense. How exactly do you think the world population grew to where it was up to 100 years ago? No vaccination has ever been forced upon anyone because personal health decisions are just that, personal and to suggest travel and work should be restricted to only those vaccinated is a very scary prospect and a slippery slope. It's like saying why not let the government put a GPS tracker on everyone. If you are doing nothing wrong what's the problem, a bit intrusive though isn't it? This will end up in the courts for years. Can you imagine the economic effect of say an extra 10 million people out of work and who will never work again? Madness to even suggest it. Once the vulnerable and elderly are vaccinated, ie the most at risk of serious Illness and death, the infection rates will fall dramatically. Vaccine effect on transmission has yet to be confirmed. If it turns out it doesn't stop transmission, then what's the point in me getting vaccinated against an illness that poses minimal risk to me and doesn't stop me getting it and passing it on?