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Never noticed Return address on FF James and Janes Fulfilment "wonder what the cost of this is to PXS
There maybe a connection but as far as I can tell ON products are manufactures in the US, UK (Middlesbrough) and India.
https://support.optimumnutrition.com/en/support/solutions/articles/80000803077-where-is-my-optimum-nutrition-supplement-manufactured-
As ON are an Irish based company I wonder if that’s the main reason we have opened an Irish office ! And as we were told that most of the latest stock purchased was bound for the EU .!
It is actually a New Product for ON sphinx.
"Platinum Pump Pre-Workout is one of the three new supplements currently rolling out in the UK and Europe under Optimum Nutrition’s non-Gold Standard Series, the Platinum Series. It is launching alongside the flagship pre-workout ......."
https://www.stack3d.com/2024/05/optimum-nutrition-platinum-pump.html
https://www.optimumnutrition.com/en-gb/Products/Pre-Workout/Platinum-Pump-Pre-workout/p/C101501
As it’s just an added ingredient I would think the previous buyers of the product will just continue purchasing as before
One night mare share 14 years of despair
Started: gixer, 2 May 2024 07:48
Last post: alfista, 22 May 2024 15:21
Wish I could agree with you Kievs, but the soon to expire use by date suggests not.
As for suppliers being out of stock those restrictions are often caused by buying inefficiencies, or budget restrictions applied short sightedly in my experience. If it pishes folks towards buying direct from fruitflowplus then the extra margin is valuable.
The China decision making process grinds on, with ByHealth still keeping the PR going with various snippets (copyright gixer :-)
Yes agree. But you can also see this as the fruitflow is selling so fast PXS cant keep up with demand
A cunning plan to have two suppliers out of stock, certainly enhances the bod's 'enviable ' rep.
FF omega 3 "out of stock in H/B"amazon"but purchased from Pxs website 😢
Wellsite, MM are part of a larger group of companies so it might surprise you.
I am, as always, forever hopeful :)
Started: gixer, 21 May 2024 20:59
Last post: wellsite, 22 May 2024 14:05
We never found out if BH applied for bluecap blood pressure health claim or just went for the new platelet ckassification.
wellie
Just to note. The actual study that this article relates to was funded by By-Health
"The effect of water-soluble tomato concentrate on elevated serum cholesterol levels in the middle-aged and elderly Chinese"
"WSTC may not affect platelet function in individuals with elevated cholesterol but significantly decreases blood pressure and enhances cardiovascular risk profiles. These findings advocate for WSTC as a viable non-pharmacological option to improve cardiovascular health in hypercholesterolemic individuals, warranting further exploration"
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2024.1410420/abstract
Started: colbaltblue, 21 May 2024 17:37
Last post: Dr_Horrible, 21 May 2024 18:01
We’re all still here, a bit like Jack in Titanic, desperately clinging to a piece of wreckage whilst everyone slowly starts to disappear.
We’re waiting on BlueHat approval in China, DSM Gut Health progress and new product launches to drive us to significant growth.
Check back at the end of December for an update. We hope to have very positive news by then.
I thought I'd look in to see what's new but I see it's the same old nothing with the same old guys trying to polish a drut! Whatever happened to the Chinese Blue Hat fiasco. I note Mr Personality's still in charge 🫣
Started: sphinx100, 16 May 2024 11:43
Last post: pumpky, 16 May 2024 12:09
Not cheaper if taking 2/4 a day 😆
Cheaper from here:than from PXS
Ok thought it might have been posted before , interesting that they speak about ff as their own product ! I suppose under the licensing they can do that .
I think you missed it as I posted this one at the same time ;)
https://www.sunday.de/en/cardio-flow-capsules.html
Is this new or did I just miss gixer ‘s post . https://www.sunday.de/en/fruitflow-capsules.html#laboratorytests
Started: Willysang, 14 May 2024 20:27
Last post: sphinx100, 15 May 2024 18:16
Must be a great time to launch the product now surely .
And the Best Wellness Drink award goes to……. Sirco
https://youtu.be/maZOb8UWrgQ?si=4MHhKRogU5RNrnf2
Would like to hope that both the new health function claim and product registrations are approved very soon.
In reality, we don't know when this will happen.
Any guesses? Sometime this year?
Started: DP64, 9 May 2024 23:17
Last post: BoringBernie, 10 May 2024 09:02
The 5m trade looks like a sell DP. Which worked out well for Kievsky because I suspect he took advantage by buying just under 900k shares ?
BB
Looks like something +ve is brewing up with this type of big trade
And then a 5 million from yesterday pops up again.
???????
As I said, It looks like it might have been cancelled.
https://postimg.cc/7CghqC29
Someone with fat fingers perhaps????
Who is transferring 5m share now?
Started: sphinx100, 8 May 2024 17:53
Last post: gixer, 8 May 2024 18:04
Looks like it was canceled.
Looks like a sell or transfer, too much for it to be an isa , or one-off our big holders transferring to another !!
Started: gixer, 6 May 2024 19:31
Last post: Dr_Horrible, 7 May 2024 18:51
The existing one, along with loads of other ON products are in Tesco, so it’s coming to a store near you!!!
It’s not showing on the USA site at the moment, but the article does suggest it will be.
It all depends where it goes on sale. We have GNC onboard, but their products are just EU. We need to keep check on it to see what territories it goes on sale.
I see they own Slimfast among other well known brands !
Last post: Slam01, 7 May 2024 11:24
It is a really ironic fact that, as a very LTH of PXS Shares, my blood pressure has been negatively impacted by the time taken to get positive news from the BoD. However, the weird thing is that the product itself mitigates all of the Blood Pressure problems!!!!!!!!!!!! The product is BRILLIANT and is just waiting (and waiting) to take off.
I am sensing the positivity that is growing on this Chat Board - I just wish that we could realise that positivity sooner rather than later.
Your posting on the wrong share. This is PXS
This is going nowhere
Started: sphinx100, 1 May 2024 10:07
Last post: wellsite, 2 May 2024 12:47
Sphinx
noticed that 50+ were sold at top bubble on amazon this month
Great find gix - just come to the conclusion I am in an alternative reality to your snippets
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fruitflow-Pressure-Supplement-Function-Circulation/dp/B07R6WV553/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=3CXX7UESN8LGQ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.akz22LwXocco3YQ0Vz9nvqL44BkWY_0au2MJKdFvHZvoxsDdBCQIKNRJMj22KwqB.eytQMzusDnfWjYFmKKp-Bx8OBzt4KAQtOfB4hOSOOB4&dib_tag=se&keywords=fruitflow&qid=1714650174&sprefix=fruitflow%2Caps%2C99&sr=8-3
W&
I’ve just had my new order of ff+ and noticed that the number has jumped about 20% compared to the last few months , not sure it means anything but maybe sales are accelerating, !
Last post: Krustysmegma, 1 May 2024 09:11
Oh, right, you all made it sound so much more interesting. Maybe tomorrow.
I can't see the RNS you're referring to, has it been withdrawn?
An admission of shares is a notifiable obligation. Unfortunately a trading update isn't.
I am not sure that I understand the reason for that RNS yesterday as it contains no information that wasn't already contained within the previous RNS Announcing the issue of new shares (to fund the purchase of inventory from DSM).
To be honest I am more than a little disappointed that the Company haven't issued a Trading Statement to present an overview of the results for Y/E 31/3/2024. I don't know what the AIM rules stipulate BUT I would have thought that our Income for the Year is in the region of £1.0M - £1.2M. This represents a minimum increase of 150% over the income figures for 2023 and, as such, I would have thought that this represented such a significant increase and such a significant change to the trading conditions of the Company that some form of Statement would have been a minimum requirement.
Having said that, I am not sure that the increased revenue will impact on the overall "Profit" situation yet. Whilst I do think that our General Trading Profits will have increased quite significantly, I am still projecting that the ongoing Royalty payments and the ongoing R&D Costs will outweigh these profits by a considerable margin. However a Trading Statement will, in my opinion, identify the current pace of upward travel.
Last post: Xpublican, 29 Apr 2024 16:48
Many thanks both
XPub
As Gixer says, that was about FF as an ingredient rather than FF+.
If memory serves me right ( though it might have been a rival product ? ) I think we did some work on the shelf life of FF+ a few years ago which resulted in updated labels being stuck over the original date ? It's by no means impossible we could do something similar with the July 24 batch, I suspect though, given the likely small volume of July 24, if needs be it'll be more cost effective to sell it off at, say, £10 a packet as low shelf life stock and move on to a new batch.
fwiw - my gut reaction is that the main driver of the shelf life for FF+ will be the fish oils rather than the WSTC, but that is just guesswork.
The last we heard was in December.
"(ii) recent stability data which suggests that the best before dates could be further extended" but this was for Fruitflow stock from DSM and not Fruitflow + Omega-3
Never heard if the date could be extended did we ?
Hopefully we won't be left with too much stock that we either have to write off or sell at a large discount.
Given our total inventory of both FF and FF+ was ~145k at the end of Sept 2023 we can't be far off the end of the July 24 FF+ stock, so even if we had to write it off it'd be in the 10's of k
BB
Started: gixer, 26 Apr 2024 08:23
Last post: Dr_Horrible, 27 Apr 2024 14:06
Whether it’s for erectile dysfunction, preconception or meat processing, you need a bit of Fruitflow in your sausage.
Hopefully they’ll order a few tons of ff for the sausages before blue hat !
Example 4, treatment with the composition of the present invention without water-soluble tomato concentrate can also significantly improve the sensory evaluation of beef pellet sausage, but the effect is obviously inferior to that containing Treatment of water-soluble tomato concentrates with compositions according to the invention.
All sausages need a bit of WSTC.
Slam, yes ff seems to be used for the meat preparation in sausages.
Ershang Meat Food Group seems to be a large state owned company so who knows how much sausage meat they are preparing annually.
Could be another bonus for Fruitflow.
The patent does say.
"The water-soluble tomato concentrate used in the following examples can be Fruitflow from By-Health Company."
Started: alfista, 23 Apr 2024 16:28
Last post: gixer, 25 Apr 2024 18:28
Thanks for that Doc BB, I haven't seen this before and highlights just how many companies DSM are involved in. As its dated "16042024" it does add further doubt as to what % DSM hold.
So. It wouldn't be advantageous.
But you wish for it because someone else holding the same shares would delight you.
I'll go have a lie down.
Gixer
This isn't an excuse for them, but, as we've previously discussed, Provexis isn't even mentioned on the Venturing site as a company they hold ( https://www.venturing.dsm.com/en_us/portfolio.html )
Also DSM-BV has a lot of fingers in a lot of pies. Even when you strip out the wholly owned subsiduaries and majority owned companies, there's an awful lot of dribs and drabs of holdings documented in https://www.dsm.com/content/dam/dsm/corporate/en_US/documents/list-of-equity-interests-DSM-BV_16042024.pdf . Chances are, until they recently got involved because of the FF purchase, DSM Venturing had pretty taken their eye off the ball wrt Provexis.
We're plainly more than a bog standard supplier to DSM, but equally plainly, our relationship isn't as strong as it was under the AA.
Alf
No-one's saying it would be advantageous if they sold out, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. Angle, all be it from a smaller base, sold up and barely anyone noticed or cared.
BB
That's got me puzzled. it seems to defy logic to me.
Either a fair percentage of the total shares would have to find new long term owners, or the sp would be seriously depressed by a major holder exiting.
I just can't see that being advantageous to us under any circumstances.
??
BB, I don't know if you are correct about going above 7% or not but it doesn't explain all the other thresholds that we didn't get a TR-1. 11%, 10%, 9%, 8% and 6% (there was one for 7%) although this was down to dilution and not selling.
I wouldn't see DSM selling out as a negative either. It would just be nice to know if they do :)
Last post: kievsky, 25 Apr 2024 11:04
Sell and move on then.
What is going on no blue cap update share price dropping and not going anywhere, same old
Started: wellsite, 22 Apr 2024 18:43
Last post: Krustysmegma, 23 Apr 2024 09:37
FYI my latest subscription July 2024 dated. Good that they're using up as much of the old stock as they can for subscribers. Hopefully another one or two more before changing over.
There is also from last rns “ to satisfy increasing demand for Fruitflow” as fixer has pointed out probably something to do with short shelf life of existing stock
Being out of stock is never a good thing and its not a first for H&B.
This time, however, it may be down to waiting for new stock as I am pretty sure they wont want the BBE July 2024 stock.
Well, out of stock is not great is it?
Can’t supply the market?
Or is the opinion great news as they’ve sold out?
I’m more of the former.
If a pub runs out of beer and punters can’t buy a pint is that good news or bad?
Must have found a pack at the back of the shelves as it's showing out of stock again 🤔
Started: Seeking, 16 Apr 2024 22:42
Last post: alfista, 17 Apr 2024 17:40
Hope you find your shirt.
Could be a cerebro-vascular issue perhaps.
Think your gut health is right- typical Aim sponge.
Bought over 1 million of these when they were penny,
Went up to 12 p or could’ve been as much 15p.
Was gifted some sports cis shares, sold them for peanuts, sucked dry badly managed by you know who!!. Worth peanuts.
lost my shirt here!!, still hold £10k
My gut health tells me the only winner is Mr Ford.
A lot like RRR director self self self.
It’s still a punt though - getting older realised health is more important than wealth, it’s easier to state when you’ve no financial worries, also realise nhs cardiologists don’t prescribe ff for a reason.
Good luck…
Started: Dr_Horrible, 15 Apr 2024 13:16
Last post: Dr_Horrible, 15 Apr 2024 13:16
World Summit on Food Science & Nutrition. Duttaroy giving a talk.
https://foodscience2024.com/
Started: Dr_Horrible, 13 Apr 2024 21:44
Last post: Dr_Horrible, 14 Apr 2024 22:09
If BH are expecting to launch FF in this calendar year, approval must be around the corner. They need to order FF from PXS, who then need to get production scheduled. It has to be produced and shipped to China (3 months?). BH then need to produce the product ready for launch (3 months?). So maybe 6 months to get ready for launch of BH products?
I think “it” means FF, business2business.
We know they have products because they have applied for registration of products. We just don't know how many.
They must have products to promote !
If By-Health "is currently actively promoting it" then you could assume the approvals might not be far away????
What the actual "it" is that they are promoting is however unclear.
Last post: colbaltblue, 13 Apr 2024 09:07
I will. Have no doubts about that.
“Among the existing products, protein powder and Jianliduo have obtained new approvals, and we strive to launch new products within the year."
I assume this to mean re-approval, since Blue Cap only lasts for 5 years.
As FF is not yet approved, that tells me that these products do not contain FF.
"They don't need anymore. Fully funded."
I do hope you are right but cant see it myself.
Do come back in 6 months and tell me.
They don't need anymore. Fully funded. At least there's some excitement over there, not like this dead, moribund dog of a share which is going nowhere ever.
Shouldn't you be more concerned about Tim Mitchell and the rest of his cronies remuneration?.
Death spiral funding is never good. Even worse when they refuse to give you any more :-O
Shouldn't post so early in the morning.
Looks like its the dates on the website (on the right) that are wrong.
https://www.longevitymedsummit.com/clinique-la-prairie/
DP64,
Its not a new product and has been on the go since April 2021. I was just pointing out that they had a couple of keynote speakers at the (what I thought was an) upcoming summit.
Unfortunately I am a year to late with my post. lol.
Doh!
Gixer,
Great find.
The evening Regeneressence formula features a powerful combination of essential vitamins, antioxidants and the breakthrough patent FruitFlow to contribute to cellular protection and stimulation.
This will sell well within the Chinese really very well with this type of patent
That price is wild - Why is it that they do not just call it fruit Flow? - Patented plant extract – A breakthrough ingredient that contributes to healthy blood circulation, helping reduce stress on your cardiovascular system.
The worlds most expensive Fruitflow product.
Longevity med summit.
May 8-9 2024
"Science Shows Clinique La Prairie´s Anti-Ageing CLP Holistic Complex Works"
https://www.longevitymedsummit.com/clinique-la-prairie/
https://www.longevitymedsummit.com/simone-gibertoni/
https://cliniquelaprairie-hh.com/product/age-defy-regeneressence-and-immunity-supplements-2-x-120-capsules/
Obviously the Chinese will want to make multiple profits
let's hope PXS do also
Dr. H,
Fully agreed with your thoughts. Worked with Chinese previously. They will not spend millions of pound if they could not see the multiple of that is returned.
As I understand it, BH have developed a wide range of products based on FF. Their own brands will get first dibs on them, then all others will be available for their customers to buy. BH have then said that they have agreement from a large number of multi-national food/drink & VDS companies to commercialise FF. BH having agreement from companies for their products have then developed those products and submitted to SAMR for approval. Therefore I expect the initial BH order to not only be fulfilling their own initial product launch, but also some of their business customers too, whoever is ready to go. When BH order they will likely pay upfront the same as other customers do. PXS can use that money to fulfil the order for BH and buy their own stock too with the profit. Perhaps they will use their cash in the bank too, depending on the forecast. I suspect that China approval may unblock some of the customers that PXS/DSM have lined up too, where they are looking to sell in multiple territories. We just need this SAMR approval which is now due. I am hoping that there are maybe 12 - 15 products approved (for 5 years) and BH and their customers are loaded and ready to fire. Does anyone else agree, or am I just too optimistic?
BB,
You could be right and that's another possibility.
I would have thought that an RNS might have been required for such a "substantial transaction" but that could be classed as "in the ordinary course of business" so maybe not.
As alfista pointed out, until we get an update or the Y/E results its all pretty much guesswork.
Gixer
We only had 145k's worth of inventory ( both FF+ and FF ) left at the end of Sept 2023. It seems unlikely to me that that stock would have taken us through to the end of the FY so I think we'll probably have bought more stock of FF from DSM between Oct 2023 and Feb 2024 ... which would have reduced our cash position.
It's possible our cash position is still healthy, but I doubt very much we're saving it for a big order.
BB