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Well Goldgnome, the last 10years has been poor on growth, plus increased population, increased public services spend and increased taxes has caused dire growth by comparison with other countries. Accept brexit, covid, Ukraine war and ridiculous net zero targets, but something had to change and I am pleased with what Truss is doing- would have raised tax free amount and cut fuel duty but you can't have everything- I recall 364 (including Bank of England) said Thatcher's tax cuts in 1986 would end up in disaster and the opposite happened- had we continued on the Sunak route - deeper and more painful recession would have ensued- only an odiot keeps doing the same things and expects different results...
Monet pennies Spanish cousin.
I agree. Mr Tibbs contributions have been absent too long.
Funny how no one ever publicises their short when it goes up lol- but to be fair the last few years lol
Took a short position september on 22/09/22.. in Centamin.
@Sotolo `MY TAKE` .... The reason gold is at its price now is not because of lack of demand it`s due to the major banks heavily shorting it ... Without this downward pressure gold would fly ! There is not enough gold in the vaults to cover a fraction of paper interests and if the price was allowed higher they are scared that people would want their physical gold and that would kill those leveraged dealers. If that occurs gold price would truly rocket skyward, (supply / demand,) and the miners would flourish. That possibility cant be that far off as Russia / China`s gold backed currency plans gather pace it will bring those leveraged dealers crashing down to earth along with the Dollar. All IMHO DYOR etc
If £/$ Rate was 1.43 as in 2018 before Brexit vote, Centamin would be in the 50’s. Without the recent fall it would be in the 60’s. The Price is so weak as it is making little profit at these gold prices and as gold fall further which seems likely will make losses. However as long as it stops paying dividends and conserves cash it should sail through to the uplands in 2024 or 5, just a shame it is another couple of years again
Would have thought the US $ Strength v GBP (up 5% overnight) (12% in a week) would have supported the SP in our favour, as Gold is in quoted in $
Missing you Mr Tibbs...
It will close the higher gap at some point in the future.
Gold in sterling within 2% of its all time high. Great for gold owners. Unfortunately for us miner investors costs in Sterling are over 50% higher which gets rid of the profit pretty much. The only heartening thing is that without sterling’s fall Cey share price would be back nearer 50p. However assuming it was a hedge against this situation turns out to have been a mistake
Major European markets traded mostly lower in Monday's pre-market session amid heightened concerns about inflation, the war in Ukraine, and their potential second-round effects.
Earlier, it was known that the right-wing coalition led by Giorgia Meloni and her party, Brothers of Italy, had come out on top in the Italian general election.
The DAX lost 0.75% at 7:10 am CET, while the CAC 40 fell 0.82%, and the FTSE 100 rose 0.13%.
The euro was down by 0.61% against the dollar at 7:22 am CET, selling for $0.96297. In comparison, the pound lost 2.67% to go for $1.05692 simultaneously.
Baha Breaking News (BBN) / JG
Happy Monday y’al
Thanks Damo
Greatland is a great story of discovery. A friend of mine , Jim Hanneson, was intimately involved in this and that story has been finally told, and you can read it at this link
Discovery of the Havieron Gold-Copper deposit, WA
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/14432471.2022.2103941
Nice to have copper and gold at the right grades, and enough of it...plus a needy partner
Alien look like they should focus a bit more.
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the Gnome
Thanks Goldgnome.
The problem I have ,is knowing what is true.
The media and "Politicians " cannot be trusted, the internet with many trolls.
At least years ago before Murdoch , most knew a newspaper was either right or left leaning.
Now its like stepping back in time listening to Town Cryers.But much faster.
THE POWER OF THE INTERNET? Incredibly powerful today, more than when I was a young gun [living in a 3,000 person town in rural Australia], that one can access intelligent life forms on the internet. Of course there are plenty of the other people around as well.
Some very big discussions In and about Oz, not making it into the main stream mass hysteria,
China debate: John Mearsheimer | Hugh White | Tom Switzer
For years, Australian policymakers have balanced China’s desire for an enhanced regional role (whatever this is, but it might be that China has a large population, that devours [our] natural resources, or produces more engineers in a year than there have been engineers in the history of Australia or whatever) with our desire for U.S. protection (this generally means buying nucelar submarines, f99 air fighters etc). However, contrary to the Canberra consensus, there is going to be an intense strategic rivalry between our major trading partner and our major strategic ally.
According to John Mearsheimer, one of America’s leading foreign-policy thinkers, Washington will not let China become the dominant military power in the region without putting up a serious fight (and of course where there is a fight there will be US products and services and a buck to be made, but lets move on and sweep $10's billions under the fog of threats, real and made up)). In these circumstances, it’s naïve to think that Australia can sit on the sidelines and get the best of both worlds: unconstrained trade with China while keeping the U.S. security umbrella over its head. Canberra must support Uncle Sam. And why not ...?
However, Australia’s future will be dominated by China, says one of Australia’s leading strategic thinkers Hugh White..we have been there for a long while now. Treasury forecasts show that the Chinese economy will be about 80 per cent bigger than America’s within a dozen years...and so the sun is setting, giving out its last flashes of whatever. In this environment, Canberra must prepare for the new strategic terrain in the wake of America’s declining (declined) leadership, and we would be unwise to support Washington in a confrontation with China that America probably cannot win...but of course we will do whatever America wants ...
Have a listen, think critically, and form your own opinion (s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRlt1vbnXhQ
And lets not mention Russia again, at least for a few days
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the gnome
Thanks Damo
I read from a very wide range of sources, including funadmental data sources
https://www.gold.org/goldhub/data/gold-reserves-by-country
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/FI.RES.TOTL.CD?locations=US
https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-much-gold-has-been-found-world
https://www.federalreserve.gov/data/intlsumm/current.htm
There are interesting professional papers, written pre-1970 (ruff estimate), when they were worth something, and not biased towards non professional ends
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1914508
https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/files/docs/publications/FRB/pages/1945-1949/30033_1945-1949.pdf
and others
https://www.newyorkfed.org/data-and-statistics
A few things to keep in the back of your mind
IMF economist Prakash Loungani : “The record of failure to predict recessions is virtually unblemished.”
...
Galloway asked: “Has there been another point in economic history where we’ve had full employment, an inverted yield curve and interest rates rising this fast?”
Tyler Cowen (Economist) responded: “I have never seen this configuration of economic numbers and variables in economic history, ever. It is unique and I think we are poorly positioned to make very dogmatic predictions for that reason… So I think we are flying blind and hoping for the best.”
Interesting little piece, that provides the expose on the dilemna.
https://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/center/mm/eng/sc_sub_3.htm
The Central Banks adopted the position of being able to print as much currency (IOU's) as possible, so they can do what currency is meant to do. Circulate and be a means of efficient and effective exchange to allow businesses to operate.
This leads into confusion of currency and assets. Currency is not an asset, but rather a depreciating "efficiency" for transactions. Simply perhaps the best they could do at the time. BUt we have the internet now, and a lot of business has moved into the internet. The most successful is Alibaba, not surprisingly Chinese. It is an interesting business model, v different from those much lauded US business models. Personally I think it is a far more sustainable business model. And there is blockchain...
I suspect something far more efficeint in terms of financial structure and efficiencies are being constructed in China. You have to dig to find these out, as best not to shine too brightly(until it is time). The US is v concerned about the strength of China, and of course you will see endless rhetoric negative to China. Human rights etc...speaking fo which the uS should not attempt the high ground?
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the gnome
Thast just what we know ...
Remember there are numerous other state bodies besides the central bank that own gold: the army, the State Administration of Foreign Exchange and China Investment Corporation, the sovereign wealth fund. Precious metals analyst Bron Suchecki, formerly of the Perth Mint, says 55%.
Even at 50%, the implication is that China owns more than 16,350 tonnes – double the US figure. I can’t see how its national holdings are anything like the 1,948 tonnes they say they are. To declare markedly larger holdings would cause an unwanted surge in both the yuan and the gold price.
The state’s US dollar reserves would be devalued. It would be a direct challenge to US supremacy. China is probably not yet ready for that. For now it follows Deng Xiaoping’s doctrine: “We must not shine too brightly.”
But if that Russia-China axis wants to weaponise money, as the US has done, all China has to do is declare its gold holdings, and perhaps even partially back the new currency it plans to launch, a central bank-backed digital yuan, with them.
Unbacked Western fiat money risks losing a great deal of its purchasing power in such an event. It could create chaos in the West. But that is the card China now has with its 20 years of relentless accumulation.
In short, any new money whose aim is to get SCO trading with each other outside of a US-controlled banking system is going to need to involve gold for it to work. It wouldn’t surprise me to see them attempt the Glazyev system described above and for it not to work because of the trust problem, and because most of those nations are going to want to retain the right to print.
They could then try a second time, giving gold a more prominent role, and this time it might work better.
It seems obvious to me, that China has the capacity, and the influence to force a better global currency, one that is more inclusive and less exclusive to the domain of one country. If they include Russia and Inida, and Asia, then the custmer bases starts to look very solid. If they start to wiedl positive influence in countries, like they are by buidling infrastructure, and meddling endlessly with governments, endless debt issuance (the worst being where debt is issued to a government, whose poilitical elite syphon off inot bank accounts in the Treasure Islands, leaving the liability to the people)
China may still not be shining too brightly yet, but its time cometh, ... and ... “Let China Sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world,” (Napoleon Bonaparte). ONE EYE IS OPEN NOW ...
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the gnome
We know that many countries in the SCO have plenty of gold and have been increasing their holdings. In the 14 years between 2006 and 2020, Russia’s central bank more than quintupled the country’s gold holdings, from around 400 tonnes to today’s 2,300 tonnes or so. It’s now world’s fifth-largest gold owner.
Then there is China. It has been quietly de-dollarising. Since 2021 China has lowered its holdings of both dollars and US Treasuries by 10%. Its holdings in US Treasuries have dropped by over $100bn since 2021, and it now has less than $1trn in US debt for the first time since 2010.
Its US dollar foreign-exchange reserves have come down from $3.25trn to $3trn over the same period. Having seen what happened to Russia, China will not want to be too vulnerable to a banking system that is run by the West.
Then there are China’s gold holdings. I consider this the most important story in world finance, yet it is largely ignored. China has far more gold than it says. China’s stated reserves are 1,948 tonnes of gold (barely 3% of its foreign exchange reserves). America’s are 8,100 tonnes (over 65% of national reserves).
Now we consider Chinese mining and its imports. China is the world’s largest producer of gold. This past decade it has produced about 15% of all the gold mined in the world. Since 2000, China has mined roughly 6,830 tonnes. China keeps the gold it mines. Over half of Chinese gold production is state-owned, and the export of domestic mine production is not allowed.
Given 6,830 tonnes of production, its official 1,948 figure already looks dubious. Chinese mining companies have also been buying assets across Africa, South America and Asia, and international production now exceeds domestic production (by approximately 15 tonnes in 2020).
China is also the world’s top importer of gold. Imports via Hong Kong alone, never mind Switzerland or Dubai (for which we don’t have numbers), have amounted to more than 6,700 tonnes since 2000.
Most of the gold that enters China goes through the Shanghai Gold Exchange (SGE), so the SGE is a proxy for demand. We know that since 2008, 22,000 tonnes of gold has been purchased by and delivered to physical gold buyers in China.
There is also gold that enters China that isn’t accounted for by SGE withdrawals. The central bank oversees the SGE, but its purchases do not go through it. It likes to buy 12.5 kilogram (kg) bars, which do not trade on the SGE, and it often uses dollars on exchanges in London, Dubai and Switzerland, while the SGE sells its gold in yuan. So there is plenty of tonnage we cannot account for.
Add to this gold held in China, whether as bullion or jewellery, prior to 2000 – the World Gold Council estimates 2,500 tonnes in privately-held jewellery – plus domestic mining and official reserves, you get a figure of around 4,000 tonnes. Cobble it all together – cumulative production, imports and existing stock – and you arrive at a figure around 32,700 tonnes. That’s ju
Thanks SJ999
Thats a huge call on leadership. Of course the obvious huge quesiton is leading where?
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the gnome
The hyperbole has reached levels on doom not seen since.... oh June2022 lol- if, like most people, investments are balanced and global, U.K. issues not the end of the world as some seem to think. I like what the U.K. have done- bold, and far better than doing nothing or persuing the dire Sunak policies. Corporation tax not going up (massive phew- it was bonkers to propose 25%!!!) tax off the wealthy, will boost investment- gas cap etc helps all and business- something had to be done! Going for growth is positive - last PM and chancellor was tax, tax and more tax and restrict growth and shell out unlimited money to pointless panics like covid and following public opinion-
Leadership is here at last- time will tell, and of course, I invest globally so balance is key, so again, as has never been, overly invested in U.K.
Times are looking predictably grim, not much end in sight, and especially in the UK it seems!
Former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers blasted the economic policies being adopted by newly installed UK Prime Minister Liz Truss, saying they’re creating the circumstances for the pound to sink past parity with the US dollar.
“It makes me very sorry to say, but I think the UK is behaving a bit like an emerging market turning itself into a submerging market,” Summers told Bloomberg Television’s “Wall Street Week” with David Westin.
Summers: “”It would not surprise me if the pound eventually gets below a US dollar.” Bloomberg
“Between Brexit, how far the Bank of England got behind the curve and now these fiscal policies, I think Britain will be remembered for having pursuing the WORST macroeconomic policies of any major country in a long time.”
Truss’s government has set out the most radical package of tax cuts for the UK since 1972, reducing levies both on worker pay and companies in an effort to boost the long-term potential of the economy. Economists are concerned the package is unaffordable and will trigger a currency crisis over concerns about rising debt.
I would hang onto my CEY shares, even top up!
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the gnome
It's nothing to do with the UK- simply following the US like all global markets do in the vast majority of cases- I do agree, however, the drop in the pound is. As a proxy, the S&P now down to the June2022 drop level.
I also agree miners, incl. CEY have been awful investments in the past 5 years or more.
Well without sterling’s further 3% fall we would have tumbled even more, the real price has been continuously falling with the pound, while the nominal sterling price has held relatively steady so we have been falling less than we would. In Toronto we have fallen from 3.85 to 1.27 nearly 70% in two years, wow shareholder destruction. Sadly let’s just hope the pound falls faster than Centamin
There are quite a few "traps" and "taps" around. Another below
"Researcher and writer Dr. Ben Abelow, a scholar who lobbied Congress on nuclear arms policy, joins Useful Idiots to explain, as his new book argues, how the west brought war to Ukraine. “The goal of the US,” Abelow says, “is not to save Ukrainians but to degrade Russia’s military until they won’t be able to fight in the future. And while some say stopping Russia is a humanitarian goal, the way one would degrade Russia’s military is to keep an extended war going and fight to the last Ukrainian.”
Abelow analyzes the history of this cold war, the aggression by each side, and the hypocrisy of the argument that Ukraine has a sacrosanct right to join NATO.
“The right to join NATO is the right to place a western military arsenal on Russia’s border. If Russia made a military alliance with Canada or Mexico, US leaders would not be talking about their right to do so.”
And on this week’s news of Putin announcing military escalation and giving a thinly-veiled threat of nuclear war, Dr. Abelow warns:
“I hope it’s taken seriously.”
https://medium.com/@benjamin.abelow/western-policies-caused-the-ukraine-crisis-and-now-risk-nuclear-war-1e402a67f44e
Do your own research and draw your own conclusions. I guess only a few really knows, but propaganda and BS rules the waves these days, and shapes and distrots the markets.
The ODD thing is the momentary defleciton down in gold does not imply that CEY is in fact worth a lot less, unless the sale is made on the day.
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the gnome
Not necessarily - both the ftse 100 and 250 driven lower by the budget - CEY's a 250 stock so it's taken a hit along with the rest imo. Gold now below 1650 might have summat to do with it too tho