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Share Price: 715.10Bid: 714.90Ask: 715.20Change: 0.00 (0.00%)No Movement on Hsbc Hldgs.uk
Spread: 0.30Spread as %: 0.04%Open: 716.10High: 719.00Low: 710.40Yesterday’s Close: 715.10


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driftking27
Posts: 1,291
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:715.10
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Today 10:01
Somy view is that we could get HSBA on amphetamemes for 4-5weeks maybe see 770p.. here’s hoping !!

Atb
 
driftking27
Posts: 1,291
Opinion:Weak Buy
Price:715.10
buy?
Today 09:57
I hold 30stocks, 1/3 if which are investment trusts done very. Well, along with stocks too.

My heavyweights are VODA, LGEN, JNJ, MYI, & HSBA all at £15k to 25k.

I’m thinking of either selling an investment trust and buying more HSBC or IMB, not sure as sp has gone side ways for some time in most shares.

I heard TRUMP blowing his trumpet if it were not for the trade war, the stock market would be up 80% and not 40% at present since he tolofgice.. lol
AllAtSea
Posts: 529
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:700.80
Buy-backs in the USA
11 Jul '18
Thanks to the recent US tax cuts (corpn tax 21% from 35%) there has been a record number of buy backs in the USA. The alleged intention in handing back money to corporations was to encourage them to invest in their future and create jobs. Obviously buy-backs are good for shareholders and may boost spending but shareholders tend to be the wealthier citizens whose spending is less guaranteed. OTOH should consumer spending increase dramatically it will fuel inflation and boost interest rates. Such buy backs artificially boost share prices and there is a good chance the prices paid for the shares were too high anyway.

From an income POV Hsbc is worth having, but I don't foresee much growth for a while. Still too expensive.
LeftLittleLegacy
Posts: 86
Opinion:Hold
Price:707.00
RE: Rise and Fall
10 Jul '18
Hi mishmos,

I am still quite happy to hold at these levels, and have recently topped up slightly - by taking some scrips instead of just cash dividends.

I certainly have no intention of putting any "new money" into HSBC, and do not expect to see the highs of the early 2000's, when there were far fewer shares in circulation, and the dividend payments were considerably more generous.

It seems that the main purpose of the buy-backs is to keep a lid on the number of shares in issue - in fact at the recent Strategy Update we were informed that the main purpose of the buybacks is "to neutralise any share issuance as a result of scrip dividends."

There are still plenty of uncertainties out there - what with Trade Wars and Brexit problems, but the very recent general consensus among 20+ serious analysts is to hold HSBC.

Regards,

Steve
AllAtSea
Posts: 529
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:712.60
RE: Rise and Fall
9 Jul '18
Seriously, I would like to see the price fall a bit so's I can buy more in. As for buy-backs I can't see the point other than a lack of confidence in the future. A pretty sterile activity but these are times we are living.
mishmos
Posts: 103
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:701.20
RE: Rise and Fall
9 Jul '18
LeftLittleLegacy, your history with HSBC is ok if you bought in low but the "wait and see" strategy at £7 buy in is risky. Whose to say that because the share once hit its highest level that it will do so again given the current spat with US v China v EU.
It seems to have traded between sub £5 and mid £7 ish between 2008 and 2018.
Don't know about the buy backs. Have they genuinely had much affect for other companies outside of investment trusts.
mishmos
Posts: 103
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:701.70
RE: Trump
9 Jul '18
Sunee, Trump is not alone. The world is led by cunning imbeciles and bigger ones vote for them. Even the sainted Thatcher.
I defy anyone to pick a president, prime minister or dictator who is both competent and benign.
LeftLittleLegacy
Posts: 86
Opinion:Hold
Price:704.90
Rise and Fall
5 Jul '18
Hi All,

The very nature of stock markets, and indeed individual equities, is that they rise and fall - sometimes quite suddenly, for no (or little) obvious reason.

The first half of this year has been quite disappointing as far as HSBC is concerned - down over 7% since the end of December 2017.

Even the fairly high volumes of buy-backs during recent days, have not prevented the share price slipping below where it was at the end of June last year.

The buy-back must now be over 50% complete, but assuming they spend all the US$ 2 billion, and the price and exchange rates do not change too much, then about a further 80 million shares are likely to be purchased.

At least (so far) they are managing to buy-back shares this time for a lower cost (in sterling terms) than the previous one, and it is good to see that the number of shares in circulation (excluding those held in Treasury) is now below 20 billion, despite over 21 million new scrips being issued today, but the take-up was very low again this time at less than 11%.

As you know, I am here for the long-term and tend to take a mixture of cash and scrips each quarter, and although I am now nursing a paper loss on this and the previous three scrip issues, I am still up overall.

I believe that we need to give the new senior management (and that will soon include a new Group Finance Director) time to make a difference - possibly until the 2019 full year results are announced in early 2020!

It seems to me that some people watch the markets with the same "edge of seat" nervousness that some people experienced during the recent Penalty Shoot Out!

Just think how long it has taken for England to reach this stage again in the World Cup, and it seems that the UK Banking sector has not yet fully recovered from the 2008 financial crisis.

I would love to see the HSBC share price back to where it was in early 2001, when I sold a few shares for over £10 each.

But of course, the flip side is that in 2009, I fully subscribed to the Rights Issue, acquiring more shares for as little as £2-54 each!

I enjoy receiving the regular dividends, which have amounted to nearly US$ 10 per share on the first block I owned/retained in early 2001, and over US$ 4 since the Rights Issue, which were allocated at US $ 3-61 per share!

Let us be patient, and hope that things will improve in due course.

Regards,

Steve
chittybangbang
Posts: 1,486
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:705.30
Tittilating talk
5 Jul '18
Of an interest rate rise. We'll see!
AllAtSea
Posts: 529
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:700.10
RE: Trump
2 Jul '18
The majority don't buy stocks and the rest are Trump's insider mates who know what he's going to come out with next.
killthebear
Posts: 1,050
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:701.50
RE: Trump
2 Jul '18
Don't hold your breath, his voters think differently.
Sunee
Posts: 43
Opinion:Hold
Price:710.70
Trump
2 Jul '18
Not pleasant watching this slide back to where we were a year ago but with Trump creating chaos we may as well not look at the share price for the next couple years. Just enjoy the dividend and sit tight. Never before and never again will the world be led by such an imbecile. One has to laugh.
AllAtSea
Posts: 529
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:709.40
RE: Juggernaut
28 Jun '18
For me it is all about the dividend. Fast growth AND a good dividend is in cake-and-eat-it land.
Tom78
Posts: 1,082
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:702.30
RE: Juggernaut
25 Jun '18
looks like its free wheeling down hill, certainly glad i haven't bought more lately!
Sunee
Posts: 43
Opinion:Buy
Price:732.80
Juggernaut
14 Jun '18
Like pushing a juggernaut up a hill but interest rates rising and new strategy from top management is to expand the business in its key markets. Meanwhile we keep receiving juicy dividends which could well rise in a couple of years. When returns hit 10% plus this share price will return to its former glory days and be trading well above HKD100 per share. China will continue to buy the stock and profits will surge along the PRD. HOLD and ye shall reap reward
LeftLittleLegacy
Posts: 86
Opinion:Hold
Price:727.00
More of the same
11 Jun '18
Hi All,

It is some while since I posted on this board, but seeing the very recent changes on another well-known board, I thought that I would return here for a change!!!

The long-awaited Strategy Update hasn't really given us any "exciting" news - just more of the same, including maintaining the dividends at the current level, and using buy-backs to compensate for scrip dividends!

Although muted, the market reaction appears negative, especially as the FTSE100 is currently up, and sterling is down against the US dollar.

When will HSBC really achieve something profound?

I am, however, still willing to hold these shares for the dividends and may even take a few scrips again this time, hoping that the share price will increase in due course, but it seems that considerable patience is still required.

Have a good week.

Regards,

Steve
Johnnydurex
Posts: 579
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:724.80
RE: Interesting read from TMS
3 Jun '18
The longer he leaves it, the harder it will be when we have no choice
AllAtSea
Posts: 529
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:724.80
RE: Interesting read from TMS
2 Jun '18
It doesn't say much that isn't already out there.

In the case of HSBC it pays a decent divi, altho' cover is slim, and it is in dollars. High street banking? Well on the way out at the moment altho' the vulnerability of Visa yesterday shows the danger of complacency over security. Hardware with no backup is pretty dumb, or are they covering up outside interference?

For me HSBC is one UK stock that may protect against UK economic woes ahead. Carney would love to raise rates but dare not risk it.
BurtonD
Posts: 46
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:727.80
Interesting read from TMS
1 Jun '18
tony_currie
Posts: 135
Opinion:Buy
Price:729.90
Ex div
17 May '18
Ex Div - still holding up well. Buy back helping price.
Beststew
Posts: 21
Opinion:Strong Buy
Price:735.80
Steady climb
12 May '18
Up she.goes. Soon be back to the 790s in to weeks I think
tony_currie
Posts: 135
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:719.00
The rise has started
9 May '18
RNS today - buy back has started.
Sunee
Posts: 43
Opinion:Strong Buy
Price:714.40
Upgrade
8 May '18
CLSA upgrades HSBC to BUY. Always say good sign when one of HKs most respected research houses upgrades a household favorite. Short term TP HKD85..give Tucker time and this will be back above HKD100 by next year. UK and Europe business performance abysmal but PRD is the future and thats where Tucker has done it all before with AIA. Ignore the Toffs with their gloom and doom on the other chat site who've probably never even set foot in China.
HeresHopin
Posts: 2,247
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:714.40
RE: HSBC bank capital level
7 May '18
As you say, I understood they were strong even under the pretty severe stress tests. Same with Lloyds I thought with Barclays a bit lower with Standard Chartered and RBS lowest of all but that is only from memory. Planning a buy back also although smaller but then also planning a bit more debt issuance later in the year to keep the buffers topped up i think.
AllAtSea
Posts: 529
Opinion:No Opinion
Price:714.40
HSBC bank capital level
6 May '18
It's reported that British banks have not done nearly enough to increase their capital buffers as prescribed by Basel III.

It seems to me that HSBC with a CET1 ratio of >14% is more than adequately funded. Any comments?




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