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CB seems to be saying this is DMS only. The SEE LEDs did originally just flash left and right. I am thinking the SEE Horizontal / Vertical flashing may be linked to OMS combined with DMS. We have dismissed a few OEMs because it was not the Horizontal / Vertical flashing pattern but what if its just DMS and only needs the "basic" IR pattern ?

Perhaps these, and other dismissed recently are all SEE for DMS only

Interestingly another reference to 2028.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/colin-barnden_driver-monitoring-system-activity-7399404043896455168-KeUo

New Attention Assist 2 calculates viewing angle and fatigue level. Only retained 15 minutes !

Attention Assist 2, a further developed version of Attention Assist, will be available from February 2026. The system can help prevent accidents by issuing visual and audible warnings if the driver is inattentive or overtired. Using an integrated infrared camera for visual recognition of head and pupil position, it detects not only the driver's fatigue level based on signs such as increased blinking, yawning, or drooping eyelids, but also the driver's attention level based on the calculated viewing angle. This is a closed system: all data remains exclusively in the vehicle and is deleted by the system after 15 minutes.

https://www.daimlertruck.com/en/newsroom/pressrelease/why-this-truck-from-mercedes-benz-can-save-lives-new-safety-truck-based-on-the-eactros-600-53271917

Nothing seems to have changed - How many stars will it get in January ? Could this be a 4 star Volvo

The car’s ADAS functions are averagely intrusive but mostly easy to deactivate on the ‘quick controls’ menu. The exception is the driver monitoring system, which is quick to castigate you for briefly looking at the big, distracting multimedia screen – which, at times, you can’t help doing.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volvo/ex90

AI thoughts on QNX and the Magna mirror.

Yes, BlackBerry QNX and Magna International collaborate on Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS), and the QNX software is integrated into Magna's platforms, which include a mirror-integrated driver monitoring system (DMS).

Magna's specific DMS technology:

Is integrated into the rearview mirror and uses a high-resolution camera, infrared emitters, and an electronic control unit (ECU).

Monitors the driver's head, eye, and body movements in real-time to detect distracted behavior, drowsiness, and fatigue.

Uses advanced software and algorithms to provide timely alerts to help prevent accidents.

While Magna produces the integrated mirror hardware and system, the software that detects and processes the driver's behavior is typically provided by specialist partners. For example, Magna has collaborated with Seeing Machines to help deliver this mirror-integrated technology, with their algorithms running within the system. BlackBerry QNX provides the underlying safe and secure operating system and ADAS platform software framework into which these applications are integrated.

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System was said to be less than perfect. Toyota also prevented filming inside the car .

I doubt the Rav 4 is using SEE tech. Its not the mix of Horizontal and vertical LEDs ( 3:00)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUJH0ROdTkM

I do not remember seeing this article before. its dated May 2024. ( 6 Months before the SEE / Mitsubishi deal)

QNX/ Blackberry seem to be the possible source of the next Toyota ADAS in the New Rav 4 to be launch before March 2026

https://blogs.blackberry.com/en/2024/05/driving-monitoring-systems-innovation

I asked AI

Will Collins launch a product before Christmas 2025 ?

It is possible, but not confirmed, that Collins Aerospace and Seeing Machines could announce the launch product before Christmas 2025, as the non-recurring engineering (NRE) payment period for the initial product development and certification is expected to conclude around October 2025.

Here's why the timing is feasible:

The NRE payments of US$2.65 million are paid over a two-year period that began in October 2023, and that timeframe ends in October 2025.

The completion of this payment cycle is linked to the completion of product development and certification.

Once this phase is concluded, the companies will transition to a royalty-based revenue model when "shipsets are released to customers". The commercialization of the product would follow certification.

While no official launch date has been publicly announced, the end of the development and certification phase in late 2025 aligns with a potential product announcement or initial deployment before the end of the calendar year.

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One visible change in the iX3 cabin is the driver-monitoring camera. In earlier BMWs it sat behind the steering wheel, sometimes partially blocked depending on wheel position. In the iX3, it moves right below the rear-view mirror. From there it has a much wider field of view. It can see your eyes, head position, and even body posture. And the function is clear: if you are not looking at the road for too long, the hands-off function won’t engage or will disengage.

https://www.bmwblog.com/2025/11/17/bmw-ix3-symbiotic-drive-dcas-hands-off/

2020 - I am well aware it’s currently called aftermarket. It’s bolted onto the dash like something from the 70s. In future it will be designed into the dash just like in cars, it will be fitted in the factory. Why do we still think the aftermarket sales model will still be used ? If SEE have a supply problem the line stops.

Can someone explain why Trucks & Vans who have DMS installed during production by the Tier 1/ OEM will not use the automotive model of a software fee / technology fee, Plus an optional monitoring fee. SEE do not have a manufacture anything and would not be limited by capacity.

amazon already use mercedes benz sprinter vans. they just need ****logation for seeing machines software and we would be good for 10’s of thousands. slight delay while approval comes through !

for the heavy trucks, if daimler & volvo obtain ****logation for guardian, new trucks will already have the facility

Another snippet from Google AI. My key takeaways: 1. An advanced version of the attention assistant, Attention Assist 2, will also be available for the eActros 600 from February 2026. It does not say SEE but creates a timeline.

2. Several logistics companies in Europe, including Amazon in the UK and Germany, are already operating the initial units. No indication if this is the eActros 600 or the February 2026 update. The 600 was launched in 2024 so I assume its the 02/2026 version

AI Overview

The Mercedes-Benz eActros 600 will be available from February 2026 for a variety of new configurations and enhanced assistance systems. The core eActros 600 truck model has already entered series production and initial customer deliveries began in late 2024.

Key information regarding the eActros 600 and the February 2026 date:

Availability Date: Mercedes-Benz Trucks' official UK website lists the eActros 600 as "Available from 02/2026". This availability likely refers to the wider range of configurations announced in May 2025, including different cab variants, battery pack options, and various axle configurations.

Assistance Systems: An advanced version of the attention assistant, Attention Assist 2, will also be available for the eActros 600 from February 2026.

Current Status: Series production for the flagship eActros 600 began in November 2024, with the first customer deliveries following in December 2024. Several logistics companies in Europe, including Amazon in the UK and Germany, are already operating the initial units.

Future Variants: From 2026, a small series of the new eArocs 400 for urban construction haulage, based on the eActros 600's components, will also be launched.

Https://seeingmachines.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/SEE-PR-Guardian-Gen-3-launches-world-first-attention-sharing-feature-FINAL-12-11-25.pdf

looking at the major manufacturers who are said to be working towards ****logation with guardian 3 , daimler truck, volvo, and daf, could account for 150,000 units per annum if see are awarded everything.

google response to the progress regards ****logation

here is what is publicly known as of september 2025:

progress is underway: seeing machines has confirmed that the ****logation process for its guardian generation 3 system is currently in progress with four other commercial vehicle oems across europe. it is widely understood that these four include major manufacturers such as daimler truck, volvo, and daf.

daimler is preparing for gsr: daimler has announced they are equipping all mercedes-benz and setra buses with enhanced safety systems (meeting the new eu general safety regulation gsr level c) from q1 2026, which includes an advanced warning system for driver distraction. this aligns with the work being done with seeing machines.

wrightbus is approved: the guardian gen 3 system has already successfully achieved full regulatory approval (****logation) with uk bus manufacturer wrightbus as a "factory-fit" solution. this demonstrates the product's capacity to meet the required eu safety standards.

timeline: the eu gsr mandate requires these systems to be mandatory for all newly registered heavy vehicles by july 2026. the ongoing ****logation processes are on track to meet this deadline.

Looks like a possible link to the Magna Mirror communicated last week. ( Several million units)

https://www.just-auto.com/news/volkswagen-china-focused-intelligent-ev/?cf-view

And now its Amazon & Daimler Trucks

https://manufacturingdigital.com/news/why-amazon-is-growing-its-ev-fleet-by-1-000-in-the-uk