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I beleive we may also be working with them, with their regular 940mm IR cameras

Because it is a combined RGB (regular camera) and IR camera, it hasn't got any special coatings to increase the IR absorption, so it has only 14% Quantum efficiency, where as you can get just IR cameras with QE in the high 30s. So will need extra bright IR illumination, or just more illumination sources.

DR777, in the Ali Osman article it felt like they were trying too hard to justify that they were good enough. "Look at me I'm using grown up tools!" All that talk of TensorFlow and Caffe doesn't guarantee a good product. That pure ML approach need bucket loads of good annotated data from a variety of sources to come closer, but 90% isn't good enough and it will take 90% of your budget to do the next 5%.
NXP are European yet the images were all Chinese, that tells me the source and target market. It might do in a first generation system today, but the market, OEMs and regulators will force their hands to perhaps have a more robust system with better data for Europe and later the US.

I would guess the source is Momenta, founded in 2016 in Beijing

Finally able to post this on LSE

In the Ali Osman article, NXP were trying too hard, all that talk of TensorFlow and Caffe were like a 4 year old saying "look Mummy I can use grown up tools".
NXP are a European company, but all the DMS pictures were Chinese – that tells you the source and the intended destination. A young company from the boom times of AI and ML – we can do anything with ML, just give it the annotated data and it will learn better than a human. Well that is true, up to a point. Many students could quickly knock up a DMS system that works in the lab 50% of the time add some more money and good data and you can get funding when you improve the performance. Perhaps you get it to 90% but that is when it matters, the next 5-10% will take 90% of the money and effort! Seeing Machines did it the other way around, the base is procedural, with AI learning on top, and it was fed 5 billion km of real world annotated data, so they have the edge cases covered, there availability and accuracy is far beyond what these start-ups can do and they have the IP to prove it.
The source is Momenta AI and they were founded in Beijing in 2016
https://www.momenta.cn/en/apply.html?id=mpilotbox
So NXP will be good enough for China today, it may even end up in some European cars at the low end, after all it ticks a DMS box and it comes with all of the other features, but the market will soon out them. Customers, OEMs and Regulators will force them to upgrade. But for now it shows that there is a rich and varied competition in the various spaces, so we are not a functional monopoly.

https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/mobile/view/2037734

This is why we love CandyBar

Glandore, just back from walking the dog. On the main road just as a National Express passed. As a pedestrian I could look for long enough to see a Guardian unit near the A-pillar.

I am not expecting hands free or Super Cruise type systems to be advertised or launched immediately. In the US, that is the main reason for DMS. In Europe, we know that DMS is mandated, so I expect that we will see DMS as an ADAS feature first.

In the interview they did say that the Mach-E is set up differently in Europe, he was talking about tyres and suspension which need to be different for unrestricted autobahn speeds, but I expect the OTA update will deluxe different features in different areas.

How could I forget Glandore,
And my heart slips a beat each time - but they are always to high to SEE

Fixed the link

https://youtu.be/1S5Y52LWKHQ at about 4:16 some beautiful IR lights on the Mach-E reviewed in the UK by Rory Reid

https://youtu.be /1S5Y52LWKHQ at about 4:16 some beautiful IR lights on the Mach-E reviewed in the UK by Rory Reid

Also, didn't LO benefit from a distressed seller. Which they benefitted from and protected us from further drops on top of Covid

Hi Curio,
I guess their availability wasn't as good and they were relying on body tracking as much as head tracking to guess where they were looking. Mostly ai trained? And because it was all on the edge, they didn't get as much training data back from the internal camera. But they do have the plus point of identifying driving behaviour from what they see on the outside too

Thanks hyms,
Good podcast, (as long as you play it at 1.5x speed)

Thanks Wilson, but which point, my memory isn't what it was.

What a day!

I wonder if anyone is still shorting SEE?
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Now next step £1b

Yesterday's presentation is up on the Seeing website.
https://www.seeingmachines.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FY2020-Results-Presentation-final-31-10-20.pdf

I can only guess that Apple watch wearing, Audi drivers would like fully functional Augmented Reality HUD too. That requires high availability and highly accurate gaze tracking too (not to mention the best DMS) or what is the Vorsprung durch Technik company doing?

Well I imagine that we may get to an ASIC or SoC with OCCULA as that will be the cheapest form once we know we have the volume - if we haven't licenced the "risk" to someone else by then. As we move to higher volume and lower cost, more processing and validation would be on the chip and Probably the need for privacy would preclude the human oversight and checking that comes with the current "high end" Guardian monitoring. Of course we may use the same hardware sometimes with the uplink for monitoring and without for self service, self install. Or a third party manage the system and link it to telematics for Pay as you drive insurance?

We can tell it's the real S2020 because you have the gold rosette.

Sorry Philtronic you just look 10 years older.