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The 2,000,000 at 1226 was an obvious buy, not a sell.

If a diesel generator puts out as much pollution as say 10 cars, it is still more polluting, as being static, the pollution is more concentrated into the immediate area around it.

Also diesel cars have to pass the MOT emissions tests, whereas a diesel generator has no tests/restrictions whatsoever.

Apart from those differences, they are both as bad as each other,

I belong to a national advanced driving/ridding group, who on hearing the news re outlawing the sale of new petrol/diesel and hybrid cars by 2035 have started a discussion/argument on facebook regarding both the lack of EV chargers and the unsuitability of the national grid to supply sufficient energy levels.

As all of the dozens of posts already posted on this facebook page mention problems with none mentioning any solutions, I took the opportunity to post a brief description regarding the AFC and the hydrogen/ammonia as a feed source.

Whilst appreciating and accepting that AFC Energy should concentrate of getting the message out to potential bulk buyers/users, I could not ignore a chance to at least inform a small group of something that I am certain many are completely ignorant.

The move knowledge and acceptance out there that AFC's linked to hydrogen/ammonia are readily available, albeit in as yet minute numbers, the better, both for the EV industry and it's power suppliers.

Will be interesting to see what response my post illicit's.

Just for a few minutes, lets just leave the problems of the main grid infrastructure problems of linking up multiple EV charges in multiple locations.

This morning I read a brilliant, simply worded article on the problems of power surges regarding the national grid.

One of the most famous, for those old enough to remember, was at half time during the England/German 1966 world cup final. It was estimated that 1.1 million electric kettles were switched on during the 10 mins of half time, and more recently Football World Cup Semi Final: England v West Germany, Wednesday, 4 July 1990 1,120,000 kettles (based on 1MW = 400 kettles), or 4.3 Drax-sized generation units (there are six 645MW units at Drax) were used.

Both these incidents caused outrages of power and that is when most factories/offices were closed and remember that at that time, there was no reliance on wind/solar power (both intermittent)

So just imagine the power outrage when millions of electric cars are plugged into home based EV charges just after peak rush hour from 6pm to 7pm, adding of course all the other vehicles, such as lorries and similar being plugged in ready for the next day at business and depot premises.

The facts of course are that the Nat Grid would fold long before the mass plug in.

A simple analogy (the world cup and kettles) but it proves the point that at present and for the foreseeable future, independent EV charges are a must.

Hopefully AFC will get a big slice of the huge market.

Queening should read queuing, hope this slip doesn't put me in trouble with the pc police.

Its not just the infrastructure, ie putting in power cables that is the problem, its the actual production of the power source.

For several years we have often been at the power production limit, with the government stating that once the power used reaches a certain percentage of the power produced, certain areas of customer use, hospitals and similar vital end users which would include residential users would take priority over less vital end users, such as businesses.

Just imagine a few days of no sun/wind and temperatures well below freezing resulting in a power shortage, leaving the risk of thousands of electric cars stranded in car parks, and queening on roads due to being unable to charge independent from the grid.

A vast amount of independent from the grid EV charges are needed at least for a long foreseeable future.

As regards H2 leaving drivers at the mercy of govtax, whatever the outcome EV , H2 or a mixture of both, when the numbers reach a certain level, the governments take on tax will need to level out to the present tax take.

No one should be in any doubt that within a few years of EV or and H2 take up, the government of the day will need to rake in as much tax as they do now.

Leaving aside whether AFC are going to be a success or not, whenever I see new posters, who's first posts are 100% negative, my confidence increases.

Note how these 2 new posters do not give reasons to back up their negativity, only bland statements of doom.

When I first read the RNS and saw 'schools' being mentioned, I thought that it was a strange move, but then realised that schools are the place to go re environmental and climate issues, after all it's the younger generation that are putting pressure on their parents to go green.

You only have to watch the news to see that such pressure is moving from the younger to the older generation.

What we really need as a few posts have mentioned, is a really big push for as much publicity as possible to follow the road show.

A few mentions on national news and also local news, following from local authority to local authority, would be great.

Surely orders must flow from this road show, as if not, we will start wondering what is needed to 'sell the product'.

Re Chippyjo, Battery Terminal Joke.

'Shocking Positively Shocking' .... Bond (no not Adam, but James)....Goldfinger.

Agreed Bumble,

But often it is better to get good working technology out there, because if you always delay for the sole reason of continuing improvements, IE reaching the 'holly grail' level your technology stays on the shelf as your competition takes all the sales.
Probably me being impatient, but that's how I often view AFC's philosophy.

The fact remains that it is now several weeks since the EV unit was demonstrated at a 100% ready to go unit.

If those as AB said after the demo, were as enthusiastic as he stated, then why have we not seen signatures on at least 1 contract.

It is not as if those potential customers had not looked as deep as possible pre demo as obviously AFC would have been very open to these people re costs, value ect.

If it was Schroders it shows that there was no restriction on the selling of the shares they bought by subscription.

BumbleB,

Early bird indeed.
I invested because I live only a few miles from an Akzonobel plant (Hull) and had read about a possible link with them and AFC to supply direct hydrogen from their factory.

At the time (and now) I thought that a fuel cell power system was a world energy winner.

Bought in Afc either 2006 or 2007.

Had more hair, more teeth, better eyesight and now realise, more patience. Hopefully by end of year more money.

Whilst it is right regarding long lead times to get new technology from inception to fully fledged products, I have to say that much of the 'moans' regarding the slowness of progress has been the fault of the company itself.

As it is excepted that the company boffins know far more than we do regarding this long time frame, remember that it was the company that for several years has been promising contracts round the corner with customers queuing up in such numbers that they would have to be almost a rationing to those numbers.

So if we are expected to believe that the technology is as good as they state, then it follows to reason that we would also be expected to believe the companies promises.

I have looked at previous RNS's where we have been encouraged to believe and on look back they can now be depressing.

I still have great belief in the technology, but not so much in the companies ability to get it to market. I believe they are very close, but still have niggley doubts that they can make that final step over the sales line.

Hi Mouchers,

Been holding since the company floated on the stock market, and I agree with your post word for word.

Never been invested more than I could afford to loose, not like some on here who must be far more concerned, but saying that I do have an investment large enough to cause hurt to my finances if AFC don't come through.

Micks1985,

In the 2016 hydrogen technology conference in South Korea AFC Energy and Norwegian Corner exhibited next to each other, tables 41/47.
AFC have often pushed a South Korean future connection.

A huge stretch to put a AFC fuel cell into a conection with the Norwegian ship, but ammonia is also mentioned in the article.

We can but dreammmmm.

If the company are even a quarter as good at selling their technology as they are at selling the investment story, this time next year (as Delboy used to say) we'll all be millionaires.

I wish I could find out the investors details and what other companies he/she was involved in.

Would be good if their other investments included large transport companies or/and such as hotel chains, IE premier Inn (Whitbread group), where a few weeks ago, I saw a couple of car owners enquiring re EV charge points).

If they had such investments and are sold on the AFC EV technology, it could be a win win for them, if any purchase of AFC's EV charger were then put into such companies held by them.

All supposition of course, but as it was mentioned that the said person had been impressed by the EV demo, an interesting though all the same.