Roundtable Discussion; The Future of Mineral Sands. Watch the video here.
16.17 - agreed Brom :-(
19.54 - a lot of words. Probably time to use this (these) posts to repost a reminder (reposted from investment advice):
The deramper already knows the answer; the deramper already knows what will be found. The power of this tactic is that the deramper is now in control of the actions of the shareholders; the deramper has you, the shareholder doing HIS/HER due diligence and when you, the shareholder come back to the group with a questionable finding then the deramper gains credibility. What to do??? Solution??? Well, I think it's important to find answers but on your own terms. I actually pick up the phone and call the company and talk to the investor relations person or the CEO until I get a satisfactory answer. The problem here is that the advanced deramper has you doing his bidding and his work; you have essentially joined his ranks. So, develop your own little Due Diligence package and answer questions by placing the information into the package and referring all new investors to read the answers to questions raised in the Investor Information De-Rampers Handbook.
IT IS EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO INFORM PEOPLE INTO BUYING A SHARE.
Know the enemy who wishes to steal your money!
Lesson 1: Remember, DERAMPERS NEVER DERAMP A BAD SHARE. Watch the board for shares with no potential. They never have any derampers. Derampers only go after shares that are going upwards or have excellent potential to go up. Derampers get left behind, so they want to bring the price down to be able to get in at a great price.
Lesson 2: DERAMPERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The deramper will post this over and over again. The stupid deramper will try to make the old news a bit fresher to try to fool you.
Lesson 3: DERAMPERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't deramp. They try to control the board. True longs may have to address the derampers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information.
Lesson 4: DERAMPERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a deramper. The truth on startup companies is that many mistakes are made and losses happen. The deramper will try to make you believe all startup companies make a profit, release financials every quarter and all aspects of the business run smoothly. THIS IS NOT TRUE. THE DERAMPERS LIE TO YOU. Startup companies can go years without profits, financials and good business, this is the nature of the beast.
Lesson 5: The derampers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the statements they do.
Lesson 6: The derampers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you couldn't know the difference (unless you have done your assessment of the company and know the truth and facts).
Lesson 7: Derampe
Hi dazz. Hope things are OK. You have given me a problem though - widening doors to fit my head through(!) Yes, Brom is all you have said and (23.35) I care. Imo, it is part of our identity and a part of PB's legacy. On a practical note we are joined at the hip and so there are corporate consequences. VGLA
09.17 - SA: Good post. We could run Sir..... competition. However, posters do rack up numbers if posting over years. TAO 1 was 2014 and both Brom and I have been here before that. It is also important to note (imo) that Brom has curated the 88e wiki site which is a remarkable resource, born out of our bb and associated interactions. A very significant achievement. VGLA
Wed 19.09: I think a 'triple edged sword' could be an exciting piece of kit for Sir Bromby. Regarding main point, 'green alternatives' are not easy to choose/quantify in absolute terms. UK has a significant investment in wind power; however, 'climate change' implies change of atmospheric dynamics. I believe July/ Aug 2021 in UK was 20% less windy than average and had corresponding consequences on energy production...VGLA
19.10 - Hi Smiler. Good to see that you heard from Major. As with all of us, he has had a lot going on. 88e's portfolio is very interesting, more diverse than previously and each element with pros and cons. HRZ has gone quiet but we do have lots of data now - surprise to the upside? All very best , as ever, to you and VGLA
22.36 - JofHogitt: welcome back. I note your quote about 'aspiring oil company CEOs' and one can relate it back to post 21.47 which mostly seems there in order to work in the paragraph starting 'unless new facts arise which I am not aware of at time of writing, no. I believe at c.£200m, 88E is overvalued in absolute terms.' Fortunately, the system of appointing REAL CEOs deals with material issues. Again, regarding SP movement, the other poster has not got a clue (or chooses to hide it). VGLA
22.36 - JofHogitt: welcome back. I note your quote including 'aspiring oil company CEOs' and one can relate it back to post 21.47 which mostly seems there in order to work in the paragraph starting 'unless new facts arise which I am not aware of at time of writing, no. I believe at c.£200m, 88E is overvalued in absolute terms.' Fortunately, the system of appointing REAL CEOs deals with material issues. Again, regarding SP movement, the other poster has not got a clue (or chooses to hide it). VGLA