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I think it might be a little more complicated than you think and hence the reason why both PVR and LOGP are stum.

You will note from the announcement on the DCCAE website that Exola have been given the green light for Stage 1 Appropriate Assessment but now have to provide a Stage 2 AA.

One of the reasons for this is stated as "The potential for additional in combination effects with other developments. Please ensure all relevant in combination effects with other developments have been considered through consultation with DCCAE to confirm the list of relevant developments."

You should note that Barryroe lies directly below Seven Heads Gas Field and only last week KEL was given the green light to decommission Seven Heads now that the gas has run out. That gas wellheads and pipes that are to be decommissioned are on the same seabed as Barryroe and I believe Exola have to advise how they will interface with that clearance of that infrastructure as they develop Barryroe. Hence the "combination effects with other developments".

Exola now need to tell us what they intend to share with Petronas for the infrastructure, if they intend to use any of it at all and if so what time scale they need if they are going to pipe gas through KEL's exhausted network.

As for your worries about APEC, I suggest you concentrate on COSL who will actually do all the work on Barryroe re drilling etc. And if you go to https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=6426898 to check their profile you will see they are located in CNOOC Plaza, Beijing. Enough said.

And as for losing patience, the Chinese are known for their patience and they never give up a good thing when it is staring them in the face.

Article in today's Irish Independent re the approval of the decommissioning of Kinsale, Ballycotton and Seven Heads.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/end-of-an-era-as-kinsale-gas-field-set-to-run-dry-38069782.html

This might have been missed on the DCCAE website. "On 23 April 2019, the Minister approved the 'Seven Heads Decommissioning Plan." If this has been approved then surely there is nothing stopping the Barryroe development.

Barryroe lies directly below the Seven Heads Gas Field so any damage done to the surface and any problems with the wild file has already been done by Seven Heads and the infrastructure it has on the seabed. After all, if Barryroe has gas which it claims it has, it is probably coming up directly below the Seven Heads so there will be no further impact.

In fact, I expect Providence needed the approval of this plan before it made any move, if it is going to, to use any of the Seven Heads facilities to pipe gas to Cork. Part of any plan they would have would have included commissioning at the end and obviously if the now know what is involved in decommissioning they can do a deal with Petronas to take over items that would have cost Petronas to decommission them.

Hopefully, not one step forward and two back but obviously this permission is to Providence's advantage.

The announcement on the DCCAE website:

https://www.dccae.gov.ie/en-ie/natural-resources/consultations/Pages/Decommissioning-of-Certain-Facilities-within-Kinsale-Head-and-Seven-Heads-Petroleum-Lease-Areas.aspx

A message for the Irish econuts.

If Ireland can do without its own oil and gas and depend on third countries for its supplies they should be tied down and made to watch the following for a week or so and I wonder if they would change their minds thereafter.

Click on the following and you will get a self-explanation:

http://www.financedublin.com/debtclock.php

Every Friday morning before I check on the non-activity of Providence I cheer myself up by checking out the current status of Cork.

If Providence does get to drill Barryroe you can be sure there will be hoards of Chinese frequenting that lovely city.
Great place to visit but woe to you if you ever choose to live there. Extremely witty and well written here is this week's submission but you can go back to other weeks if it takes your fancy.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/lifestyle/ask-audrey-how-to-sort-out-norries-in-your-back-yard-920094.html

I don't want to be too pedantic, joebop, but there is a little clarity needed in your outburst.

Yes, Larry Goodman, Mr Beef, does own C&D Foods but Philip Reynolds sold out in April to Larry's English operation resigned from the board and was replaced on the board of C&D Foods(UK) Ltd by the saintly Larry himself.

You can check it out at:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05141595/filing-history

Perhaps you should get the approval and then we will pay you the $300 million.

For those long in the tooth they might remember back in the good old days when Albert (Ballroom of Romance) Reynolds decided to go into dog and cat food business and set up a company called C&D Foods in Longford.

Subsequently run by his son,it went broke at one stage and finally the last vestiges of it were sold recently to the UK because of Brexit, they say.

At the time when he was minister for Business and Enterprise he decided to seek grants from the EEC for his venture. To get his EEC grants, Albert set the whole of his department of 50 people into getting the documentation correct and guess what? The only person to get a grant in Ireland for cat and dog food from the EEC at the time was the self-same Albert.

That is the quagmire you have to cross to get anything out of the EU the monster that gobbles up the EEC.

I had enough interactions with them regarding grants, ending up with sweet fa, that I could write a book about it.

So don't blame Providence or CNOOC as I know the "pain" they are going through with that unelected rabble in Brussels who have never run a business in their lives and if they did would probably be bankrupt. After all, it is rumoured that Junker is usually sozzled and is a perpetual drunk so he probably keeps the French wine fraternity liquid. And he is in charge?

Since we are going down the road re Tommy Tierney. He might have been putting pennies in the boxes in the 70s and 80s but some of us were doing that back in the 1950s and 60s as well.

As for the trees. The Indians have chopped all of theirs down to burn for heating and cooking, the Mongolians are burning the dirtiest coal on the planet and causing the biggest pollution, thousands of hectares are being decimated for palm oil, the Amazon is being denuded of its trees and why have Americans got such dirty rear ends?

What, you might say, has that got to do with anything? Well, it seems every American uses three rolls of toilet paper a week and to satisfy that requirement, millions of trees are cut down in Canada to satisfy it, so much so that even Canada is running out of trees.

As for the UK removing free access, what is different between Ireland and the UK is the number of Romanians and Bulgarians, the two poorest countries in the EU, who are flooding into the UK. That is why May is putting an earning cap on those who can come.

If Ireland gets a major influx from either or both countries post Brexit you can be sure the politicians will be running around in circles to ensure that oil and gas is developed off the coast of Ireland if it is not to become a total banana republic.

Urraca,

I said 50 years to extinction not 20 years. That was another prediction. I hope for our children and grandchildren you are right and the population will decrease dramatically but unless we get a pandemic of Asian flue or Chinese chicken disease as well as Indian belly-belly the indications are not looking good.

On another point, though, I note on AVG site that somebody has said that IOLAR will spud in a few weeks. Can anybody verify this in fact or is it just more wishful thinking by a wandering mind?

As a side comment regarding Ireland; if Haughey and Reynolds knew that their successor in Ireland was an Indian gay leader would they be turning in their graves? Not that either deserved to be sleeping easy in the first place.

Bronxville,

Forget about the oceans. Yes they are important but they are not the biggest issue facing the world.

The human race will be extinct in about 50 years - some even say 20 years - if something is not done about population explosion. The population of the world has trebled since 1950 from 2.5billion to more than 7.5billion. Urban population in the same period has increased from about 800m to over 4billion. What will it be in another say, 50 years?

Take Nigeria, for example, with a population of about 180m of which over 50% are aged under 25. What have they got that can keep them occupied, fed, housed and clothed other than to try and get into Europe which they have been doing but which will escalate as the pressure increases on southern European states as more and more of them see it as the only way out of poverty.

As for your point about debt you have used gross figures but if you look at those in a per capita basis you will see from the following that the UK, per capita, is far better funded than Ireland where Ireland is at $67.1k per person and the UK is on $36.2k per person. That means UK debt is far more manageable than Ireland's. In fact, Ireland's debt per capita is second worst in the world only to Japan.

And if you live in Ireland, you will know we have been paying that penal USC (Universal Service Charge) since 2011 which has been used to try and defray the debt. But with up to 7% "off the top" of your earnings it is probably the most unfair tax ever invented and if those bureaucrats in Brussels get rid of the 12.5% tax what is going to pay the debt then?

And what about the Irish population? In 1993, twenty five years ago, the population of Ireland was 3.45m. It is now about 4.6m. that is a percentage increase of 33% in 25 years. In the UK, the population in 1993 was 57m. If the UK had increased pro rata with Ireland there would now be 74 million whereas it is at about 66m.

So what is going to happen in Ireland in the next 25 years? I expect that the non-Irish population will far outnumber the natives. Will we then get a Sharia law Muslim as the leader of the Dail? Who knows.

https://www.marke****ch.com/story/these-countries-are-saddled-with-the-most-debt-per-person-in-one-chart-2016-11-23

So, my issue here is start blaming the right people. Providence and CNOOC have complied, as far as is possible, with the Directives from the EU but as you will note from the Dalkey deal DCCAE granted the permission but they fell foul of Brussels because they had not properly implemented EU law some ten years previously. If Providence had wanted to sue the DCCAE back then I am sure they would have won a fortune. They did not.

Hopefully, the lessons have been well learnt and every letter of the Directives is being examined for possible breaches and that is why we are now in the waiting room; not for CNOOC and EXOLA but for any Nerd who might poke his head above the parapet to cause trouble and add

I am afraid, Olderandwiser, that you are neither when it comes to Providence.

The problem for CNOOC and EXOLA is that they used the best advise available at the time they did their submissions and the problem is all down to interpretation.

Have you read the issue with CNOOC which is nearly 250 miles out to sea? One of the issues they had to address, in 2000 feet of water was what impact their site survey and drilling would have on the migratory activities of blue tuna? If you can answer that please let me know.

When you consider that Providence's Barryroe lies on top of the old exhausted Seven Heads gas field which has been on the seabed for nearly and is now up for decommissioning what extra "damage" can Providence do to the seabed or the wildlife that is not already happening?

This is all about EU bureaucracy and power. DCCAE are prisoners to the EU's crazy rules which are then used by such bodies as An Taisce, An Bord Plainnala and any other NIMBY group you might like to find who can raise any spurious objection all of which have to be answered and exhausted before the permission can be given.

Remember, Ireland owes 219,009,477,581 € in national debt. If you owed that amount of money would you tell your bank manager to take a hike?

And since you are obviously a probable 'newbie" here you might remember, that under similar circumstances and objections, Providence dropped a similar approval for a site survey and a well in Dalkey, but due to objections withdrew it on the basis it would be dragged out ad infinitum.

Read and weep about the approval given in Dalkey and why Providence dropped it and apply it to Barryroe as to what can happen and you will see that it is a bag of worms, not of the DCCAE's making but of those unexpected bigots in Brussels and Luxembourg.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013/0212/367413-providence-surrenders-dalkey-island-licence/

Both CNOOC and Providence used the wrong EU Directives when they applied for their site surveys. They used Directive 2011 and not Directive 2014. Directive 2014 had a three-year window for implementation so it did not come into effect until 2017.

2014 is far more stringent than 2011 and can be located from the DCCAE or the EU websites if you want to know the differences. In fact, it would seem that the DCCAE themselves are not quite sure how to implement 2014 and this has caused the problems for both CNOOC and Exola.

So, if these surveys are not to be stopped then the EU compliance must be correct or we are in for a long wait if each query entails a three month quarantine period.

So, the reason for the delays is to give the critics a chance to question the legality of these approvals and hence any query must be addressed and the DCCAE will then make a decision as to whether they are approved if they comjply with the correct directive or not or what needs to be done to resolve the issue.

We are now in that stage with both CNOOC and Exola and it is interesting that the final query against CNOOC has been stated to be irrelevant and that it still has to be addressed.

We know that CNOOC are looking for the same approval as EXOLA and are ahead in the process so if CNOOC can get through the process then EXOLA can use that experience to achieve theirs. In other words, get a model solution and then follow suit so that DCCAE can get it right in the eyes of their masters who sit in The EU Court in Luxenbourg.

As Milton said "We also serve, who only stand and wait". We are now in the "waiting" room.

Daddy O'Reilly still trying to prove he owes the nurse nothing because he is now bankrupt.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/o-reilly-makes-fresh-bid-for-us-recognition-of-bankruptcy-1.3866277

I wonder what services she supplied (although she did say some were unsavoury) when he gave her a loan for $1.4m to buy a house. Of course, she claims it was not a loan. Was the conversation like "pull off that old sock, dear, cut my toenails, and I will help you buy a nice house" or something similar?

He offered her thousand of Providence shares which at the time were worth far more than they are now. If he loses will he have to get her shares or will he have to pay her at the price they were when he offered them?

After all, Mammy O'Reilly has plenty of money in her own right but to date she has not offered to help other than to pay of his debts at pennies in the pound.

http://www.providenceresources.com/sites/default/files/Presentation%20of%20DQN%20Geothermal%20Assessment%20at%20AAPG.pdf

Pageant still buying

http://www.providenceresources.com/sites/default/files/Notification%20of%20Interest%20in%20Share%20Capital%20-%20Pageant%20Holdings%20Ltd2.pdf

Fernan10.

Your point is actually a good one and highlights how tenuous the Impact Statement for IOLAR is.

First of all, LO 16/7 is classed as a European site and as such has to comply with EU Directives.

One of those is exactly your point when you say "...to say in the judiciary instance that, for example, the site survey proposed by PVR didn´t take into account the particular situation of an specified type of fish that lives in the area affected by the survey. "

But it is CNOOC and not Providence who has fallen foul of this in their request to survey IOLAR.

It seems that Atlantic Blue Fin Tuna migrate through that area, if you read the documentation, and it is this that the EU are worried about, no matter that there are about 2,000 metres of water depth and about 1,000 miles area wide but those poor tuna are so fast and so blind the might just bump into a drilling ship on the surface with a pipe going down into the sea or are so scared that they don't migrate if all that sonar scares the living daylights out of them.

You'll probably find that the Chinese men on the drill ship will be catching them and having them for supper without proper controls over EU quotas. After all, they are not European so are not entitled to catch them.

Providence has actually no issues in Barryroe because Kinsale Energy has been dragging the guts out of that area for years. Barryroe sits mainly below the old Kinsale Head gas field so any impact has already been carried out by Kinsale Energy who will probably have more of an impact on the area when they have to decommission that area of all that gas infrastructure.

Read all about it at:

https://www.kinsale-energy.ie/decommissioning-2.html

Perhaps they need to employ Captain Nemo. After all he could go 20,000 Leagues under the Sea.

The issue people are making is to confuse two areas of Judicial Review. These are Judicial Review of Public Decisions and Conventional Judicial Review.

In the first instance, Judicial Review is there to check if a decision was taken in accordance with the Law and has no interest in the contents of the decision and can only be taken by a body with the authority to do so.

In the second case, Judicial Review can be requested by anybody in such cases as planning etc. and is a totally separate situation and does not come into the Providence and IOLAR situations.

In the case of Providence and CNOOC, the Judicial Reviews relate totally to the first form of Judicial Review and deal with the fact of whether either or both failed to comply correctly with the EU Directives, specifically 2014, in their Impact Assessments when requesting permission to carry out surveys and sea bed clearance.

As such, there is no way that a member of the public can request a Judicial Review of such Public Decisions as they are not in a position to do so any such submitted will be classed as frivolous and would be disregarded. Otherwise, I am sure the brave Brid would have already been shouting from the rooftops.

Since we have not heard to date that An Taisce, who would be entitled to submit another Judicial Review if more mistakes had been made in requesting the permissions, but have not done so, the prospects look good.

I presume you read the result of the IOLAR request for a survey. In it you will have noted that a Judicial Enquiry can be invoked up to three months from the date of final submissions.

Since An Taisce are the only ones who could request a second Judicial review of Barryroe (given that all the other objections, if anybody was stupid enough to submit one) would have been rejected on "frivolous" grounds as the only objection can be on environmental grounds not being legally technically ala Brussels/Strasbourg.

So, I presume the department have to either wait for the three months or, in the meantime, get agreement from An Taisce that they are not going to seek another Judicial Review.

Hence, I would suspect, the reason for the non-committal reply you received to your email.

And please note, subject to your comments, most civil servants are very intelligent, work hard and are good at their jobs. Too often, they are led by people, ministers and their assistants, who have little or no experience of the actual running of the departments and are normally just mouthpieces who are looking for votes in the next election. And given the convoluted legal rubbish that comes out of the rear end of Brussels/Strasbourg is it any wonder that the real workers in these departments do not always cross all the "T"s and dot all the "I"s?

Maams,

Please supply the documentation to substantiate your claim that "anybody" can request a judicial review. When you do, I will supply you with the relevant documentation to prove you are wrong.

A judicial review has nothing to do with the "content" of a case but on the fact that it was carried out in accordance with the law. the Exola case was based on whether or not the DCAAE had complied fully with European Law when it issued the permission and not whether it was entitled to issue the permission in the first place. Perhaps that subtlety has been lost on you.

Do you think I made it up out of my own head? I await proof of your statement from the horses mouth not from its rear end where you obviously got yours.

Answers on a postcard please.

Let's get a few facts straight under Irish law.

Only a public body can ask for a judicial review, hence a body like An Taisce (Environment) or An Bord Pleanala (Planning) can ask for one.

Next, they cannot question Exola for instance but can only question the legitimacy under which DCCAE granted the permission. This is stated as follows: "Public decisions made by administrative bodies and the lower courts may be judicially reviewed by the High Court. "

So, An Taisce can complain again that DCCAE have not done their work correctly but that seems unlikely given that they were informed the first time where they went wrong and given EXOLA's responses which complied with the requests.

Furthermore, An Taisce is, in the main, funded by DCCAE and have already cost them money with the first Judicial review. How likely are they to do that again?

Hopefully all is well and the survey and the drilling can get under way as scheduled.

Worth checking the Irish Offshore Operator's Association to see what they are up to and where you will see our reverend geologist is the treasurer.

http://www.iooa.ie/about-us/#key-personnel

By the way, if Mandy Johnson was an advisor to "Tricky Bertie" you can be sure she knows a trick or two. "Call Me Bertie" was never short of a few of those.