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Urraca

You said,

" rioters from other communities, or who are rioting about issues approves by the woke elite"

I've heard the tho word a lot, who are the "woke elite" and what is your defination of them?

Please let us all know.

Thanks.

Poor little dividend. I'm not your psychiatrist.

Filtered.

Poor little dividend.

Insults and lies are all you have.

You've been living in an alternate universe for so long that you have no idea about reality. You need help. I feel sorry for you.

Dividend

"Your attitude condoning the wests actions and sanctions on UK shareholders would suggest that it is you who dosen't have a holding in Evraz "

I am almost sure that I have more skin in the game than you, why don't you tell us all about your holding? I will then do the same. (if you look through my earlier posts, you can look that up to confirm).

Of course I'd rather Evraz be trading normally, and hope that it will again. I think that you and your cohort simply focus on the dormant shares and the justified sanctions to try to stir up bad feeling in the west for the support of the invaded nation, you and your ilk simply cannot comprehend a state where people put things above money. That's how sad you are. Share ownership (I don't think you ever had any) is a risky business, if you cannot bare the heat, get out of the kitchen.

You say that Ukraine cannot win, who is it that has just taken in 8,000 troops from north korea? Who is it that has let out of prison mass murderers, rapists and every type of criminal to fight in the war? Who is it that has employed mercenaries, with the end result of destabilising their own nation and requiring the assassination of that groups leader?

My view is simple, my holding though valuable is not worth the life of one Ukrainian OR Russian. I have only ever said that the invasion was wrong in the first place. Ukraine is a sovereign nation, she is fighting for her very existence, faced with a far more powerfull and ruthless aggressor, that for some reason is hell bent on mass murder, destruction and the reinstatement of a long gone empire at whatever cost. The whole world knows that. I doubt very much that Russia's people's are in favour of this war, otherwise why all the efforts to distort the results of it by using propaganda and people such as yourself?

As always

GLASH.

Ahh, it's poor little dividend! The non Evraz shareholder that's in denial! YOU and your cohort are the ones who constantly bring up non EVRAZ related propaganda, over and over again.. You see this as a venue to "West Bash", Be it "The west is evil" "Trump is the saviour of all mankind" and the best one "We want our shares back and don't care a jot about all the Russians and Ukrainians being needlessly slaughtered"..

I want those young Russians to be home with their families as much as any other soldiers. Why don't YOU and your buddies want them at home?? Why are their lives so worthless to you all?

As always.

GLASH

Coggy.

Very true, (remember, they also say the same of EVERY trusted western news source, (which gives their game away)), whilst ignoring all the woes faced by the many millions of fair and honest people in their own country. I suppose it's because unlike normal shareholders, they all have to speak from the same national party hymn sheet.

GLASH.

Maybe he will, then all of Europe will be on war alert, because his invasion aspirations go much further than Ukraine.

But never mind "we will have our dividends! Never mind conscription possibly starting up again. If you deny this, just look at what even little Switzerland is doing.

Politico..

"Switzerland isn’t keen on getting involved in wars but likes making money.

The clash between those values — plus worries that Russian President Vladimir Putin poses a risk to the whole of Europe — is prompting the country to rethink its defense stance.

In a bombshell report released on Thursday, a group of experts recommend to the government that the country, which has been neutral since 1515, work on a "common defense capability" with the EU and NATO."

Dividend, For goodness sake, I'm sure that once you were a fairly objective person. Now you're just spouting dogma and programming. For you to cast yourself as being right or better due to a simple key press error (X is next to C on the keyboard by the way) is just the height of delusion and clutching at straws to belittle others when you cannot win by knowledge or facts. Are you 7 years old??

I am not going to try to deprogram you, that's far too big a task, how you think you are doing the Russian citizens a service with this endless dogma and denial of reality is beyond me. You may be able to convince a few maga trumpists but not the real world.

End of conversation.

GLASH.

Poor old dividend.

"Read it yourself, though I suppose as it's a western news source, to you, it cannot be trusted".

Maybe you should spend more time helping the long suffering, fair minded Russian people in their hard lives, than spouting this propaganda.

No, not only do I get information there, but sometimes it's the most concise form for easy reading for those unaccustomed to reality. Remember, unlike you in russ1a who can only toe the party line (or fall out of a hospital window as a result) we in the west have many sources of information. I do understand though that a free information culture is lost on you and your ilk, and you're always looking for a "national bias".

Anyway, how are those north korean troops settling in? I understand President Chi of China is not very happy.

Dividend

Read it yourself, though I suppose as it's a western news source, to you, it cannot be trusted.

Oh for the "truth" of Pravda - Правда.Ру

"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=Russian%20annexation%20of%20Crimea%20(2014),-For%20a%20chronological&text=In%20late%20February%202014%2C%20Russia,to%20the%20border%20with%20Crimea."

"Ah", he says, "if you go back to the days of the Tzars!"........

Devil,

"The best outcome will be the termination of all illegal and corrupt sanctions by the uk regime and its quangos."

I think you meant to say...

"The best outcome will be the termination of all illegal and corrupt invasions by the russ1an regime and its apologist government.

Now, that tallys more with reality. Lets not forget how this all started. If not for that, Evraz would be paying good divi's and able to be traded.

Selevi.

i'm not so sure that the Omani's have the same investment window as some smaller scale shareowners. Do you think that the "No divi's till 2028" statement would have been made without his agreement? It seems to me that they are actually in control now. Yes it may be a new dynamic, that though does not mean it's one that suits ALL shareholders equally.

GLASH.

Usernames.

I really can't be bothered to reply to your 180 degree post in more detail. Hopefully you're getting well paid.

GLASH

Scooters. Thanks for the posts, I'd agree with much of what's said. The concentration of holding into fewer hands is to my mind an effort to make complete takeover simpler. Maybe rules do stop present holdings over 30% without an offer but dealing with three or four large corporate holders for a further large chunk will be much easier than dealing with private holders and would possibly be carried out at a lower pre agreed price than that in an "open" market.

I see this as the gameplan because even corporate holders only buy stock for future gain, be they dividends or gains in stock price. The former being on hold indefinitely it seems and the latter being difficult in a closely held company.

GLASH

Pippa.

"Your over thinking this".

You may well be right!

All the best to you. :)

Selvi and Pippa, thank you for your replys, they are most helpful and informative, to myself and I'm sure many others.

We do not know what Mr Nesis sold his large stake to the Omani's for, (a bone of contention for me!) (though I assume that it's more than the present price, otherwise why not state it?), so what is there to say that private deals could not be made with other major holders, after all there are not that many and with the present price so low, the average would still work out a real bargain.

"V Nesis paid $9 a share for 27 million shares". This, to me at least, IS a reason to move exchanges, not the opposite, in the four years to 2028 taking potential dividends and share price increases into account, (not to mention any performance bonuses he may get in stock) a $9 per share price would seem easily attainable. So for that reason , I discount the idea that it's due to him that no move is taking place until 2028.

As time goes on, more people will I think sell up, what number this would leave in dormant accounts is unknown, but what would the result of the now pure Kazac play be on freeing up the shares presently frozen in the many U.K. accounts? If they were free and traded on a liquid exchange the price would possibly/probably rise. (Surely there is no just reason for them being locked up any longer? Mine are not in any such account).

Pippa, "So you think the 30% majority shareholder will manage to make an offer which wets all these shareholders appetite".

I am not saying any of this WILL happen, but in the same unforseen way that Mr Nesis was bought out, what is to stop more of the same happening again? Take the newest large holder with 10% (I think) their buy in is possibly around $3.4, what would their view be to an offer of $5.1 in a few months or even a years time (conditions permitting)? (a 50% boost) espicially when there is the stated line that no move to another market will happen before 2028, and no sign of dividends? I do not see the Omani aim as a quick buck, I see it as owning a forever cash cow paying a return of 25% to 30% PA, whilst still being able to grow. They after, all are a country not a "get rich quick investor".

Like all holders I too want this company to do well, (it is doing very well) it's just that some of the things presently happening don't seem to tally with a focus on the smaller shareholders, and some of the policy changes seem a bit odd. To me at least. As always, I am more than happy to be proven wrong.

Best wishes to all.

I have a simple question (or two). It’s an odd scenario so bear with me for a moment. They are asked as a recap to the purpose of shareholding.

A company is very profitable, building a large cash pile, investing this in more assets. The company grows and grows but, just like some American companies does not choose to pay dividends. The company as it’s listed on a non-liquid exchange, does not show this increase in valuation in share price advance. (no open buyers = no advance) The major holders have a long term timeframe of let’s say 5 to 10 years. Shareholder representation is poor, no meaningful votes can take place and those policies are “allowed” to continue.

So, the questions are, with no dividends, and little real volume in trading, what moves the share price?

Now, if the major shareholder/s decide to take the company private, offering a low buy out price (remember this has been kept artificially low for years) what can the minor shareholders do and if not accepted do their shares become, in effect, valueless only showing that value if the large holders decide to sell some?

If you cannot reply without being rude, please don’t bother.

GLASH

PS.

Ask your comrade devil, he/she/it does it all the time.

Simplemind.

Deflection is not answering the point raised but then asking a non related question inferring it is the same.

Simplemind.

Deflection and whataboutism is all you have, as you can't despute the reality. You're certainly not earning your paycheck at the moment. Stop being so desperate.