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"Anyway back to GKP in which also divides opinions, from either being a good investment case currently or being a takeover diamond worth untold wealth, now that's what you call brainwashed, as highlighted by some poor sole believing it's a £78 a share."

yup agreed - from the poor ol' nutters like bigdog who havent been able to let go of their losses from years gone by, still claiming every tiny little issue is a company killer, pretending they know more about the company than they do, not being physically able to even mention a positive, to the lunatics like 111-not-out who repeats ad-nauseum a multi-billion dollar takeover is hours away, you get all sorts at the GKP asylum.

but yes £78.00 is ludicrous........i'd be very happy with £7.80 in 5 years time!

"The same to you Indrid, just shouting 'unsubstantiated' doesn't make it so. Is the Wiki page unsubstantiated?"

but you're talking nonsense again, i didnt say the Azov werent Nazi's. and you do know how Wiki works right? if you are determined to use and provide Wiki as your sole source for information, you're going to look a little silly.

and all your other points WERE unsubstantiated, you didnt provide a single shred of evidence to support ANYTHING you said other than a blooming Wiki link. so yet another retort of yours proved utterly useless.

i countered all your points with truth, common sense, logic and i simply got back drivel, there is no other way of putting it, you failed to support 99% of your argument when it was dissected point by point. i am sorry to say this but you were simply hopeless.

"Plus you have posted more than anyone on this so who's ranting"

nonsense again, ranting isnt purely based on quantity of words. mine were reasoned, honest, logical and invited you to support any of your comments and counter my opinion. you failed miserably on both fronts.

"my educated guess is that Putin will have achieved his objectives"

firstly you have proved none of your guesses are "educated" that is crystal clear.

secondly he has already failed on numerous counts.

firstly, he wanted to take Kyiv, if you say thats not the case you are a liar or a moron. the 15 mile long armoured convoys, the thousands of dead Russians, burnt out tanks all littered on the road to Kyiv. he failed to replace the government and take the capital.

secondly, he wanted to divide the west. yet they are more unified than ever.

thirdly, but arguably most desired wish, to scare anyone new into not joining NATO.......categoric FAIL.

he has moved the goal posts because of his armies incompetence and his complete misreading of the situation. you claiming he always just wanted the eastern regions is imbecilic beyond belief.

then there has been the unseen consequences like the world now not being scared of Russias threats, their army and leadership looks weaker and more incompetent than it ever has. their political sphere of influence drastically reduced. their economy going to weaken.

then there is China, who Russia wanted a "partnership of equals" with. never ever going to happen now, China have seen how weak Russia is and you think they will prop them up or take advantage of it and make Russia their lap-dog?

"Let's wait and see, and by that we will be able to obtain the value of western media"

again this makes no sense, whats the alternative, Russia Today???!!!! bewildering, it truly is!!!

"Are you aware that huge swathes of the Ukrainian army are Neo-Nazi's? Heard of the Azov Battalion"

firstly define "huge swathes" and back it up with proof? secondly its open to debate whether the Azov Battalion are Nazis or simply far right, either way, walk me through your logic as to why millions of ordinary Ukrainians lives should be destroyed because of one battalion?

"As for you Indrid, Putin looking weak?"

yes he absolutely does, he categorically and undisputedly threatened Sweden and Finland with "complete destruction" should they apply for NATO membership. they applied and then what did he say, oh, "we have no problem with them joining, just dont put nukes there".....pmsl.......he's also threatened every single western country with war if they continue to supply Ukraine with weapons and keep applying sanctions.....and whats happened when we continue?.....pmsl

"We and the Americans have just had our arrise's handed to us by the sandal wearing Taliban"

firstly utterly disconnected from Ukraine so you point is moot, secondly the Brits and US left and thats when the Taliban swept across the country, so what on earth are you talking about. the Brits and US kept the Taliban at bay for 20 years, we beat them (literally the opposite of what you are claiming) and when we left there was no combat with the Taliban and western forces. so another point just pulled apart like warm moist bread.

"And Putin is looking weak? He has taken everything intended to take. Kiev is not his target. Donbas, Luhansk and the strategic southern ports are, and he's already taken one of them"

this has got to be one of the most hilarious and deluded takes i think i have read. that armoured 15 mile long convoy that sat to the north of Kyiv for week after week was there as what, just a decoy then.....hahahahahahahaha, for god sake wake up. he wanted to take to Kyiv, he wanted to install is own government in the capital, that would be the quickest most logical way to get Ukraine to capitulate. its like saying Stalin didnt want Berlin or Hitler didnt want Paris, utter nonsense.

"Surely you've noticed how the western media flip flop one day to the next from"

no i havent, the narrative is actually consistent unlike Russias, who rant and rave like lunatics, give their "final warnings" only to turn around and move the goal posts days later when they realise no one is scared of them anymore. dont forget these are men who have threatened that nuclear war is not off the table......if you cant see how desperate and pathetic that is, then there is simply no hope for you, there really isn't.

"Does Russia need to be any bigger? No, but then neither does NATO"

correct but if countries exercise their sovereign right to join NATO, thats fine. just because no one wants to join a ****hole of a country like Russia and their gang, is no ones fault but Russias. they just need to deal with it, rather than act like petulant bullies who dont get their way.

****eye, i am not sure how any of your points are that relevant, make much sense or cant be countered very swiftly and easily. so lets take it point by point.

"A very odd war don't you think, where so many world leaders have been able to visit the centre of Kiev in shirts and ties and little fear"

firstly its Kyiv, not Kiev. and i dont get your point, are you saying the war doesnt exist because Kyiv isnt that unsafe since the Russians pulled back from there? have you seen the state of Bucha, kharkiv, Mariupol etc, etc, etc? so in your mind its not a war? if so what is it?

"One thing nearly all of them agree on is who is really at the centre of the current destruction of their country, the Americans! Who'd have thought it?"

i find that very, very hard to believe, but i suppose we just have to take your (sorry the "42 colleagues", lol) word for it. i dont doubt that certain Americans are rubbing their hands with glee how this is playing out, Russia are weakening themselves like no one thought possible, their perceived stature as a super-power has well and truly been utterly destroyed and its only China the US have to worry about now. but most sane and honest Ukrainians (and all other folk)
know who Putin is and what he is like. and its not American soldiers indiscriminately bombing civilians, killing children, raping women, murdering thousands of Ukrainians. Russia invaded, no one else. they made that choice. NATO were, and are never, going to attack Russia. same as Saddam never having WMD's, the pretence for the war is FAKE, utter lies.

"Joe Biden and his crack head son, Hunter, have been extorting millions of dollars from Ukraine for years, specifically its oil and gas company's. Now can you see the importance they might hold upon covering their crimes in this far flung eastern European nation, at whatever cost to the people there"

i dont quite understand what you are getting at, well i think i do but its so monumentally stupid i assume i must have it wrong. but are you saying the USA caused this war so it could cover up what Hunter Biden has done? if so then my god you need help. if not, then what are you going on about?

"Are you aware that the current President (a former Comedian with a reported $1.4 squirreled away)"

again, what is the relevance of this and where is the proof? and even if true do you think that is fraction of what Putin has "squirreled away" at the expense of his own people?

"Ukraine who are pro and ethnically Russian and want to be part of Russia and that is what is happening. You know, the United Kingdom makes claim to the 6 counties of Northern Ireland and the partition of Ireland on the same basis. Fairs fair"

again baffled by your logic. so what you are saying is say there were people on the welsh or scottish borders who wanted to be part of England, then the English government should rightly go in a start bombing the welsh/scottish, murdering thousands, raping women, burning entire citie

truthsayer.........i think you might have issues, not only are you rambling on like an emotionally unstable 15 year old K-Pop fan on tiktok, nothing in your later post was stated in your first contribution (if you can call it that). actually re-read what you wrote initially, then re-read my response and you'll see you latest retort is on different aspects.

now if you werent already on to a loser, which its clear you are, its a dead cert you are "done" when you start assuming what, someone you know nothing about, believes.

so no i do not believe everything Sky says and if you want to rant on about covid being fake/BS, thats another discussion, one which will end in you looking even more cerebrally challenged, but none the less its another discussion.

and Yes i am aware the US has undertaken many illegal wars/coups/meddling activities in other countries over the years, which i disagree with on many levels, but that doesnt validate Russia doing the same. your moronic argument seems to be US has done wrong, therefore Russia should follow suit. an immoral and imbecilic argument.

it is 2022, not 1822, no foreign power should be invading another sovereign state full stop, let along killing civilians, striking residential and public buildings and using illegal weaponry to do so.

Putin steals elections, poisons others on foreign soil, jails journalists, executes opposition members. this is the man behind this invasion. therefore if you think he is "right" in his actions, again, get help, quick.

but back to your original, and nonsensical, post that stated "This is the worst thing for Europe in 2 thousand years. Europe will lose out". this is the bit i replied to before you went off at a tangent.

So again, if you think the current invasion is worse than WW1 or WW2, then you are beyond help.

and elaborate on how Europe will lose out more than Russia, when the combined economies of Europe dwarf the Russia economies about 30 fold. then add the US, Canada, Japan into the mix and you have an economic worth of about 50 times that of Russia.

so i reiterate, its the Russian people that will ultimately lose out long term. China are distancing themselves and you knows its bad when the blooming Swiss arent neutral anymore!!!

what Russia have done is badly, badly miscalculated how the rest of the world would react. not only economically, politically but with their collective moral disgust and then the icing on the cake, the military responses.

i mean Russia has taken just days to achieve,what previous decades couldnt, which is the re-arming of Germany. i think they are now going to be the nation that spends the second most on military across the globe, only behind the US now.

you need to realign your moral compass, and recalibrate your levels of common sense.

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