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oh ****eye........you sad little man, honestly, is that really the best you have, a "lol".........pitiful
i have neither agreed or disagreed whether they are Nazis, so i simply cant be wrong.
and i'll ask again......define YOUR claim of "large swathes" ........?
then justify why millions of Ukrainians should be displaced, children killed, women raped, men murdered, cities, homes, hospitals, schools all destroyed, because in a country populated by 45 million people, one battalion is made up of Nazis........i await your factual and enlightened opinion to shine once more.......now that's a "LOL"
****eye, are you drunk, you dont usually come across this stupid?
i havent avoided it, it literally addressed it directly in my post at 11:18!!......this convo is getting more and more bizarre!
so not only another illogical statement, but one thats utterly hypocritical, you have ignored 90% of my counter arguments (and its obvious why) and then ask me (incorrectly) why i have ignored ONE of your points....eh??!!!
this is becoming too easy
"Yeah, you really nailed me there Indrid."
well yeh that's obvious and what happens when your rants are unsubstantiated drivel and akin to the ramblings of a inebriated 8 year old. try joining here us in the real world and you might have more success in your arguments.
"What relevance has the Biden's crime family corruption in Ukraine? Really? GTFOH as the Americans would say"
yes thats exactly what i said and asked of you to explain. Russia invaded and started killing thousands upon thousands of Ukrainians and its all to cover up Hunter Bidens deals, thats what your saying? i am merely asking you to prove how that makes sense. i shant hold my breath for a logical retort i assume?
****eye, is that really all you have.......utterly laughable......i pulled apart every single one of your non-sensical, illogical, moronic, unsubstantial claims and thats all you have as a rebuttal........what a pity
"Are you aware that huge swathes of the Ukrainian army are Neo-Nazi's? Heard of the Azov Battalion"
firstly define "huge swathes" and back it up with proof? secondly its open to debate whether the Azov Battalion are Nazis or simply far right, either way, walk me through your logic as to why millions of ordinary Ukrainians lives should be destroyed because of one battalion?
"As for you Indrid, Putin looking weak?"
yes he absolutely does, he categorically and undisputedly threatened Sweden and Finland with "complete destruction" should they apply for NATO membership. they applied and then what did he say, oh, "we have no problem with them joining, just dont put nukes there".....pmsl.......he's also threatened every single western country with war if they continue to supply Ukraine with weapons and keep applying sanctions.....and whats happened when we continue?.....pmsl
"We and the Americans have just had our arrise's handed to us by the sandal wearing Taliban"
firstly utterly disconnected from Ukraine so you point is moot, secondly the Brits and US left and thats when the Taliban swept across the country, so what on earth are you talking about. the Brits and US kept the Taliban at bay for 20 years, we beat them (literally the opposite of what you are claiming) and when we left there was no combat with the Taliban and western forces. so another point just pulled apart like warm moist bread.
"And Putin is looking weak? He has taken everything intended to take. Kiev is not his target. Donbas, Luhansk and the strategic southern ports are, and he's already taken one of them"
this has got to be one of the most hilarious and deluded takes i think i have read. that armoured 15 mile long convoy that sat to the north of Kyiv for week after week was there as what, just a decoy then.....hahahahahahahaha, for god sake wake up. he wanted to take to Kyiv, he wanted to install is own government in the capital, that would be the quickest most logical way to get Ukraine to capitulate. its like saying Stalin didnt want Berlin or Hitler didnt want Paris, utter nonsense.
"Surely you've noticed how the western media flip flop one day to the next from"
no i havent, the narrative is actually consistent unlike Russias, who rant and rave like lunatics, give their "final warnings" only to turn around and move the goal posts days later when they realise no one is scared of them anymore. dont forget these are men who have threatened that nuclear war is not off the table......if you cant see how desperate and pathetic that is, then there is simply no hope for you, there really isn't.
"Does Russia need to be any bigger? No, but then neither does NATO"
correct but if countries exercise their sovereign right to join NATO, thats fine. just because no one wants to join a ****hole of a country like Russia and their gang, is no ones fault but Russias. they just need to deal with it, rather than act like petulant bullies who dont get their way.
****eye, i am not sure how any of your points are that relevant, make much sense or cant be countered very swiftly and easily. so lets take it point by point.
"A very odd war don't you think, where so many world leaders have been able to visit the centre of Kiev in shirts and ties and little fear"
firstly its Kyiv, not Kiev. and i dont get your point, are you saying the war doesnt exist because Kyiv isnt that unsafe since the Russians pulled back from there? have you seen the state of Bucha, kharkiv, Mariupol etc, etc, etc? so in your mind its not a war? if so what is it?
"One thing nearly all of them agree on is who is really at the centre of the current destruction of their country, the Americans! Who'd have thought it?"
i find that very, very hard to believe, but i suppose we just have to take your (sorry the "42 colleagues", lol) word for it. i dont doubt that certain Americans are rubbing their hands with glee how this is playing out, Russia are weakening themselves like no one thought possible, their perceived stature as a super-power has well and truly been utterly destroyed and its only China the US have to worry about now. but most sane and honest Ukrainians (and all other folk)
know who Putin is and what he is like. and its not American soldiers indiscriminately bombing civilians, killing children, raping women, murdering thousands of Ukrainians. Russia invaded, no one else. they made that choice. NATO were, and are never, going to attack Russia. same as Saddam never having WMD's, the pretence for the war is FAKE, utter lies.
"Joe Biden and his crack head son, Hunter, have been extorting millions of dollars from Ukraine for years, specifically its oil and gas company's. Now can you see the importance they might hold upon covering their crimes in this far flung eastern European nation, at whatever cost to the people there"
i dont quite understand what you are getting at, well i think i do but its so monumentally stupid i assume i must have it wrong. but are you saying the USA caused this war so it could cover up what Hunter Biden has done? if so then my god you need help. if not, then what are you going on about?
"Are you aware that the current President (a former Comedian with a reported $1.4 squirreled away)"
again, what is the relevance of this and where is the proof? and even if true do you think that is fraction of what Putin has "squirreled away" at the expense of his own people?
"Ukraine who are pro and ethnically Russian and want to be part of Russia and that is what is happening. You know, the United Kingdom makes claim to the 6 counties of Northern Ireland and the partition of Ireland on the same basis. Fairs fair"
again baffled by your logic. so what you are saying is say there were people on the welsh or scottish borders who wanted to be part of England, then the English government should rightly go in a start bombing the welsh/scottish, murdering thousands, raping women, burning entire citie
truthsayer........oh my days, where to start with that absolute drivel.
firstly its probably a fair question to enquire what planet are you on?
and you wouldnt happen to be a subscriber of Russia Today would you?
bearing in mind whilst the western media no doubt has a bias, they are still all allowed to be independent, and literally every independent media operation in Russia has been closed down. The only person dictating what gets published/broadcast in Russia is the man running the war, oops sorry, "special operation". so who should i be listening to exactly?
and for the statement "They can do nothing to prevent the entire destruction of the Ukrainian army" you need to take your meds, and quick, i fear for your state of mind. despite the facts slapping you across the face like a 20lb wet Haddock, you're still in denial that Russia have already failed in their primary strategic objective, let alone many others. everything Putin has set out to do so far as literally had to opposite effect of what he desired.
the west are literally preventing the destruction of the Ukrainian Army, if you claim other wise you are a liar or a moron. and whilst aiding Ukraine in a simply unprecedented way, they are weakening the Russian Military, the Economy and its political sphere irreversibly.
the West certainly have made a lot of mistakes with Russia in the past, but not this time, the game has changed and the only loser long term will be Russia.
i dont know if you're brainwashed, cerebrally challenged, a liar or just one of those nutters who simply wants to go against reality, common sense and the west, because they deludedly believe that's "on trend" but either way, that was an embarrassing read to say the least.
"truth-sayer".........priceless, utterly priceless
"why should the Russians?"
because they dont have any choice. They have been shown up to be the paper tiger they really are. they have never looked so weak as they do right now. additionally the entire upper echelon of their leadership are like petulant children who stamp their feet, concoct the must laughable untruths and threaten things they cant deliver when no one listens to them.
didnt they threaten "complete destruction" of Finland and Sweden if they dared apply for NATO membership? Finland and Sweden exercise their sovereign right to apply for membership and then all of a sudden Putin states "we have no problem" if they join......lol.......they are a complete joke and its about time the world realised it.
263p..........ooooooohhhhhhh
poor ol' hotdog, oilymanchild and broadfraud : -)
bigdog, oilman and broadfraud are going to be absolutely livid today........hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
truthsayer.........i think you might have issues, not only are you rambling on like an emotionally unstable 15 year old K-Pop fan on tiktok, nothing in your later post was stated in your first contribution (if you can call it that). actually re-read what you wrote initially, then re-read my response and you'll see you latest retort is on different aspects.
now if you werent already on to a loser, which its clear you are, its a dead cert you are "done" when you start assuming what, someone you know nothing about, believes.
so no i do not believe everything Sky says and if you want to rant on about covid being fake/BS, thats another discussion, one which will end in you looking even more cerebrally challenged, but none the less its another discussion.
and Yes i am aware the US has undertaken many illegal wars/coups/meddling activities in other countries over the years, which i disagree with on many levels, but that doesnt validate Russia doing the same. your moronic argument seems to be US has done wrong, therefore Russia should follow suit. an immoral and imbecilic argument.
it is 2022, not 1822, no foreign power should be invading another sovereign state full stop, let along killing civilians, striking residential and public buildings and using illegal weaponry to do so.
Putin steals elections, poisons others on foreign soil, jails journalists, executes opposition members. this is the man behind this invasion. therefore if you think he is "right" in his actions, again, get help, quick.
but back to your original, and nonsensical, post that stated "This is the worst thing for Europe in 2 thousand years. Europe will lose out". this is the bit i replied to before you went off at a tangent.
So again, if you think the current invasion is worse than WW1 or WW2, then you are beyond help.
and elaborate on how Europe will lose out more than Russia, when the combined economies of Europe dwarf the Russia economies about 30 fold. then add the US, Canada, Japan into the mix and you have an economic worth of about 50 times that of Russia.
so i reiterate, its the Russian people that will ultimately lose out long term. China are distancing themselves and you knows its bad when the blooming Swiss arent neutral anymore!!!
what Russia have done is badly, badly miscalculated how the rest of the world would react. not only economically, politically but with their collective moral disgust and then the icing on the cake, the military responses.
i mean Russia has taken just days to achieve,what previous decades couldnt, which is the re-arming of Germany. i think they are now going to be the nation that spends the second most on military across the globe, only behind the US now.
you need to realign your moral compass, and recalibrate your levels of common sense.
truthsayer......what a very odd post and point of view.
firstly how is this worse than WW1 or WW2?
secondly, what should the West do, nothing?
thirdly, the economic might of the entirety of Europe, the US, Canada, Japan etc all against Russia (which has an economy less than half the size of the UK's) and its Europe that will lose out? i think you need a reality check. stop reading the trash RT peddles out and use your common sense.
unfortunately its the Russian people that will lose out, Putin doesnt give 2 ****s about them, all he cares about is exercising his military muscle. he is an eg0-maniac with small man syndrome, who would quite happily sacrifice millions of Russian lives just to say he "won"
Russia might be a military superpower, but they sure arent an economic one. they will suffer hugely in the coming years, possibly decades. The West have come together like never before and whilst Putin might win temporarily in Ukraine, he will lose over all. Even China are dissenting now.
the Russian bear is about to become an old feeble emaciated shell of a mammal in the not too distant future.
oh no........the Germans are re-arming
get those Panzers rolling East boys...........
well its not a "collapse" is it........and "roller coaster".........oh the drama!
first of all take 17p straight off 240p (245p was only an intra-say high) for the divi......then where we are today is only a smidge over 10% down.........have you never been involved with GKP before? 10% over a several days is nuffin!
get a grip........
nobull - clearly the market doesnt care one iota for your bleak appraisal of the situation........
yup, to be fair, you've caught out there putup
that buy was undertaken by a single person/entity, as its a single transaction, right? so it is more than likely to be a "big boy"
but the sell could have come from one, or just as likely, several/numerous, different holders?
so talking about the buy as conducted by a "big boy" is much more relevant and probable than the sell being by a "big boy"
240p now.........wow
indeed straycat, ever the optimist too
mind you, not on the level of paul (a.k.a 101notout and all his multiple avatars) or surrey scot etc.........but cautiously optimistic
for me we are undervalued right now by about 75-100p, then another 24-36 months out, if all goes to plan and POO is anywhere over $75 a barrel, i dont see why a constant 500-600p trading range is out of the question.......then add all the divis we are guna get in that time frame too and the risk (and believe me i am aware there are risks unlike some) is definitely worth the reward
are we going to get taken out for £25 a share........no, very, very unlikely.........but if we do get to say 550p a share and a bid(s) comes in, could we see 800p........quite possibly
no of course no hard feelings........after all they do say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit ; - )
username..........whooooooooosh........thats the sound of the post going straight over the top of your head :)
maybe you havent been here long enough to appreciate that no one sides with those 3 posters i mention and if anyone says they do, they are, how do i say this politely, either cerebrally challenged or being utterly sarcastic