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b-b, show me when they begged to be liberated?
How is that liberation working our for the Iraqis or the Afghanis now?
Al Qaeda was a creation of the West, as well you know and the CIA have never denied it.
So, stop with the 'terrorist agenda.
If you want o go after state sponsored terrorist, why was Saudi Arabia not invade, as most of 9/11 terrorists were Saudis.

Always the excuse, they are terrorists. So, maybe Ukrainians are terrorists in the eyes of the Russians?
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

The very fact that you have to come up with excuses to invade brown skinned countries with a label instead of recognising the fact that innocent people lost their lives to our forces, like, " well their leaders killed more of them than we did" is very telling.
That was my exact point, but of all the people to argue that with me, I did not think it would be you blue.

I would like to say that if this 'war' in Ukraine is making you feel uneasy, fearful, even dread at the thought that you could be next or worse, die... good.
Good? yes, hold that feeling the next time 'we' invade a far off land and try to liberate them. Like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc.
Because those people lived through that, they suffered much worse, they had their children slaughtered by 'us', the 'good guys'. But we barely acknowledge it from our daily lives, we just stare at the TV and sign, "that's a shame" and carry on with our uninterrupted lives.
Too late to say, "that should never have happened", but I never recalled the drive to supply weapons to those fighting back, I never saw people leaving their warm homes to go to those countries to help out and any that did, are now facing prison sentences or stripped of their citizenships.
So, am I worried? Sure. Am I angry, sure, because what did I do to deserve this?
Now think about the 400k+ civilians that lost their lives to US/EU forces in Iraq, the 50k+ that died from the spill over into ****stan, the 100k's that died in Afghanistan and are still dying by selling kidneys to just survive as Biden took $3.5 billion of the Afghani peoples money to pay for the 9/11 victims families. Yet not a single terrorist in that little adventure was Afghani.
So, I remain worried, just like I did when we and the US invaded those countries that had brown skinned citizens, because before they were not like us, but now, they are.

Ed, you didn't read or understand what I wrote. If I need to explain then you would still not understand, also, I don't wish to debate this.

Ukraine needs to become Europe's Afghanistan. Let Russia 'take' Ukraine, then let Russia endure years and years of guerilla warfare, sanctions on sanctions, then apply sanctions to countries that persist in buying Russian oil and high price commodities, as that directly funds their military.
Russia will burn it self out trying to keep a population of 40 million under martial law, weapons supplied by EU and friends of Ukraine will be they best way.
Putin needs to show his people, who for the majority are still living in the past and believe the West are evil, that he is victorious, so, let them keep eating bread.
Also, why the hesitancy in allowing Moldova into the EU? Juts pass that resolution and be done!

Fugazi, unfortunately you are right and had Putin just waited it out, Trump would just let him have Ukraine, the same way he let Israel have the Golan Heights, without a single shot being fired.

TP, congress had to approve the invasion of Iraq, Biden was a big part for that push, he always was a hawk when it came to wars during those years.
So, indirectly to blame. But this is part of the US culture, when in doubt, go to war.

Putin wants to engage everyone, he wants this to kick off and distract people. If I was in Alaska I would want to be on high alert right now.

big-blue, little point in NATO or anyone else 'taking advantage' of the stranded military. Putin can use that as ammo for his own propaganda machine.
No, best leave him to retreat on his own and save face, we need to stick to the high road, if there is such a thing in this.
If he continues forward, this will end badly, as EU will keep arms flowing into Ukraine and so he will have decades of guerilla war on his hands. Look what happened to the US in Iraq and over 400'000 civilians died in that little adventure of lies.

We are armchair generals at best, trying to think what may happen, the real professionals are still trying to figure this out.
If the iron curtain falls at the border of Ukraine and the West, it will stay like that for decades to come, even after Putin's death.

What is the saying?
"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!"

"Not long to go now if a deal is done. Bye bye Putin."
b-b, you are being too optimistic. Never discount the lunacy factor, Putin does not see what we (the rest of the world) sees. that's why we are in this situation.
Putin is stalling for time to re-invigorate his men. He has nothing but time on his hands, he will move forward and quickly when he is ready, we just have to be ready to react when he makes his move.

Why on earth in 2022 is anyone behaving like this is beyond me. We truly have not evolved as as species.

This has got to be one of the best entry points for long term hold if you missed the Omicron drop. That being said...

bobbins, the problem is if you let Putin take Ukraine, then that merely emboldens him to 'expand' further west, pretty much what he is claiming NATO is doing (going east). If you stop him in his tracks then WW3 has started, Israel is not on 'our' side, they are itching to fire off nukes into Iran, ****stan and India have sided with Putin and China, all of whom have nukes.
Oligarchs are dual national Russian and Israeli, not all, but most. That tells you teh motivation.
WW3 is coming if we do nothing, WW3 is coming if we do something.
The only way to avert WW3 is someone taking out Putin from within.

Toeknee, it's easy to predict doom and gloom when there is actual doom and gloom. This is not insight!
Insight is when you tell us the sp will rise and not after it has all ended will do.
Actual date or month.
I will predict that this sp will rise.
When? No fecking idea. See? We can all do that!

Now, what's the point of adding to misery? Schadenfreude? Is there not enough stress right now that you feel you have to add to it?
And say, as that other tw.at keeps saying, "keeping it real" will not do.
So, calming words when pi's own wealth is on the line is advisable or say nothing.

sorry bobbins, my last comment 'to chill out' was directed to Scotty, but yes, I have seen Ex Machina and to be honest, it seems the movie makers have been ahead of the curve on our path to self destruction, sooth sayers of the modern age if you will.

Chill out, nothing is making sense at the moment. Anyway the bots control the stock market, now more than ever that is plain to see. Machines control everything, they will still be making money when there are no humans left on the planet.

"Well that's a nice, positive start to the day. Now if someone would just shoot Putin in the face, it could be a great day."

Hey bobbins, as much as I share your desire to end Putins life, it will never happen, if it does come it will be from an outside source, he has picked all those that surround him that share his views and are almost clones of himself.
Because once someone threatens the world, they must be taken out, there is no room for people like him and his mindset, that includes 'our side'.

Try years / decades.

"Will fly up faster than anyone can say 'Burn Shorters Burn'"

See you at 16.30 then. Unless you mean up by 5p is 'flying up'?

Hagina, it's not the rest of the world, just the leaders of the rest of the world. You think for one minute people of other countries want their governments to sit on their thumbs? No.
We have a bunch of woke, pathetic weak leaders that want to appease the green/climate change activists and do not have the cajonas to even as a group confront a lunatic.

And yes, I volunteered for my 'country' in 1994. I would go again if I was younger, these people should not be left to fight alone.

Even if this ends soon and i hope it does for the people of Ukraine, Putin must never be allowed to get off the hook, they should pursue him for war crimes, hound him to the ends of the earth.
I am hopeful that Mossad is sorting something out right now, as much as I do not like them, they have uses and perhaps now is the time to make use of that skill?