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No significance, I just did the 2nd trace to see if the routing for minerone.co.uk was similar to the fake company minerone.pro, clearly their routings are completely different. It makes sense that minerone.co.uk is hosted in Italy, the fake company website appears to be hosted in the US.
Tracert minerone.co.uk
4 27 ms 12 ms 12 ms 132.hiper04.sheff.dial.plus.net.uk [195.166.143.132]
5 11 ms 17 ms 25 ms peer7-et-4-1-4.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [194.72.16.140]
6 15 ms 13 ms 13 ms 166-49-214-194.gia.bt.net [166.49.214.194]
7 17 ms 18 ms 13 ms ldn-b3-link.ip.twelve99.net [213.248.71.146]
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 19 ms 24 ms 28 ms prs-bb2-link.ip.twelve99.net [62.115.133.239]
10 35 ms 34 ms 34 ms wariansrl-ic-379759.ip.twelve99-cust.net [62.115.8.107]
11 87 ms 61 ms 61 ms wariansrl-ic-379759.ip.twelve99-cust.net [62.115.8.107]
12 47 ms 42 ms 35 ms 85.94.195.107
13 37 ms 42 ms 35 ms web-lnx228.ergonet.host [185.205.40.191]
Hosted in Milan, Lombardy, Italy
https://ipinfo.io/185.205.40.191
Apparently 104.21.29.247 server is in San Francisco
https://ipinfo.io/104.21.29.247#block-geolocation
172.70.87.4 is a Router at Muswell Hill
https://ipinfo.io/172.70.87.4
Can't see any Datacenters at Muswell Hill, so not sure what's going on with the Muswell Hill and San Francisco IP Addresses.
My antivirus/Firewall software blocks the site, classifying it as unsafe.
I did a tracert to check routing and this came back:
tracert minerone.pro
4 19 ms 11 ms 12 ms 128.hiper04.sheff.dial.plus.net.uk [195.166.143.128]
5 19 ms 13 ms 15 ms peer8-et-0-0-1.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [62.172.103.170]
6 12 ms 19 ms 19 ms 195.99.126.233
7 37 ms 54 ms 50 ms 172.70.87.4
8 16 ms 13 ms 13 ms 104.21.29.247
I haven't shown the first three hops for my own privacy lol
"i am not aware that 1.3 billion shares are being created each year as part of employee remuneration on top of any that staff may purchase via saye schemes . that would come to a huge amount each year - you may need a re think.."
ok i counted may to may, so you can knock 525,000,000 shares off, but they're still issuing huge amounts of shares each year, and it's irrelevant if staff pay for any of them or not it still adds to the share in issue.
"application has been made to the financial conduct authority and the london stock exchange for a block listing of 585,000,000 ordinary shares of 10p each in lloyds banking group plc (the "company"), for the lloyds banking group deferred bonus plan 2021 (the "plan")."
https://www.lse.co.uk/rns/lloy/block-listing-of-shares-bjrl8lbr0nruzxc.html
https://www.lse.co.uk/rns/lloy/block-listing-of-shares-bjrl8lbr0nruzxc.html
"application has been made to the financial conduct authority and the london stock exchange for the block listing of 50,000,000 ordinary shares of 10p each in lloyds banking group plc ("company") to trade on the london stock exchange and be admitted to the official list. "
https://www.lse.co.uk/rns/lloy/block-listing-of-shares-3nz98od7f2qwe09.html
"application has been made to the financial conduct authority and the london stock exchange for the block listing of 185,000,000 ordinary shares of 10p each in lloyds banking group plc"
https://www.lse.co.uk/rns/lloy/block-listing-of-shares-d2h857aa8yydmkz.html
"application has been made to the financial conduct authority and the london stock exchange for a block listing of 525,000,000 ordinary shares of 10p each in lloyds banking group plc (the "company") for the lloyds banking group deferred bonus plan 2021 (the "plan")"
https://www.lse.co.uk/rns/lloy/block-listing-of-shares-mezsb****d200rs.html
"application has been made to the financial conduct authority and the london stock exchange for a block listing of 585,000,000 ordinary shares of 10p each in lloyds banking group plc (the "company"), for the lloyds banking group deferred bonus plan 2021"
and there's nothing stopping them throwing in additional listings like they did during covid. my biggest gripe is that they debased the dividend post covid, when they had no need to. they also did additional listings during covid, while shareholders received no dividends.
"How many Billion is not relevant. They make every sense - they are to reduce share capital. The percentage reduction in shares from cancellations is what matters not the number of shares on the market."
Well what they're doing isn't helping the share price is it? And in the meantime they're Block listing over 1.3 Billion shares a year for the deferred bonus scheme and share incentive plan; And pre covid investors are receiving a debased dividend for no other reason than that's what the board decided to do. LTI you have your view and others have theirs, personally I would have rather received more in dividends than Buybacks. They didn't have to debase the dividend post covid, it was at best aloof and at worst callous.
Aren't happy
https://www.inca.coop/sites/default/files/policy/INCA-Policy-Report-Sept2023.pdf
If Lloyds want to reduce the shares in issue, they should do a 1 for 3 reverse split and aim for around 20 Billion shares in issue, increase the dividend in line with the split so investor income isn't impacted, and only use buybacks to maintain stock levels after block listings. Buybacks make little sense with sixty odd Billion shares in issue, with many long term shareholders feeling aggrieved that Nunn hasn't restored the dividend to pre covid levels, and are suspicious that buybacks are more advantageous to Lloyds Bank Board Members and senior management than shareholders.
"Whilst Lloyds is being way undervalued by the market, i would be happy for the dividends to be completely ditched in favour of a 4- £5 Billion yearly buyback"
Many people who rely on their Lloyds dividends for income would probably take a different view.
"Thank's fleccy & others. I assume the buyer still has to pay stamp duty?"
Yep stamp duty is payable whether ON or Off Exchange.
"the latest off book trades have been good for all vod shareholders, only bad for shorters,which suites me fine."
Not necessarily, this is the problem I have with Off Book trades, they aren't price setting so it's possible to move large volumes without pushing the price up, also by moving volume Off Exchange it's easier to move the price On Exchange. On Tuesday Vodafone opened at 75.93p and closed at 77.38p, so the price went up by a mere 1.45p even though nearly a Billion shares in total were traded that day, if all the trades had been On Exchange the price would likely have gone up considerably more. Clearly there's something wrong with the system if it allows 13 times more trades to go through Off Exchange, so not used toward setting the stock price.
"Off-book trades must be later declared by one of the involved parties to bring the trade “on-book”."
Doesn't have to be reported immediately though, many Off Book trades go through in the morning and don't get reported until after the market close; Something else, the only time Off Book trades get any attention is when they're large enough to push daily volumes high, like Tuesday when Off Book trades came in at a whopping 878 million shares traded, compared to only 64 million On Exchange trades.
Daniel, basically an Off Book trade is any trade taking place away from the Exchange. If I transferred my shares to you rather than selling via the Exchange, and you paid me directly, that would be an Over The Counter (Off Book) Trade. Trading through Dark Pools are also Off Book. Off Book trades aren't price setting, so large volumes can be moved without moving the On Exchange price, with the Off Book trade price likely going through at the On Exchange price. I don't agree with Off Book trades, because I believe it allows brokers and big players to move large volume's away from the Exchange, making it easier to to move the On Exchange price with algo's. What would stop large brokers directing all their sell side trades On Exchange, and all their buy trades Off Exchange, or vice versa? Any trade that doesn't affect the price distorts the market in my opinion.
"Trouble is Suthy Bobcat wants to shut any positivity down so he can control this board"
The thing is Jambone, he has as much right to express an opinion as anyone else. What if you're enthusiasm for QBT is misplaced, and they fail to launch a commercial product? Under those circumstances wouldn't he be doing prospective investors a favour, by encouraging caution before making a large investment? Jambone you pump QBT with an almost religious fervor, but just like religion is based on scripture, your enthusiasm is based on little more than the word of FG. I'm not suggesting that QBT are wrong in their statements, but there's no guarantee their offerings will scale up and transform into commercially viable products.
When investing everyone should remember the proverb Caveat Emptor (buyer beware), since it's easier to lose money investing than it is to make money. Bobcat is fully within his rights to express his opinion, just as you are yours. When someone misses out on investing in a winner, they've only missed an opportunity and still have their capital; Invest in a company that goes bust and you lose a lot more.
Yesterday's trades really raised the Off Book tally for this month so far. There's been a trend of higher Off Book Trades since July. September is currently in flux, but it's looking like it'll be another big month for Off Book trades:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ49B8X4hFFdtXb6WUx45CDRcgMt5FBglgZCFc5UnApKRpOX8cznaVjvfKeIWdC6xr70q5wCbdhpFe7/pubchart?oid=2070430100&format=interactive
"Some very large trades going on this week"
Yesterday was a biggie:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ49B8X4hFFdtXb6WUx45CDRcgMt5FBglgZCFc5UnApKRpOX8cznaVjvfKeIWdC6xr70q5wCbdhpFe7/pubchart?oid=570999884&format=interactive
"Why should FG make any statements? he is just getting on with the job at hand. His job is to move the company forward. If it is taking longer , who cares?. Its not FG's job to police the share price. If the MM's drop it , so what."
The traders/MM's wont be interested in QBT, there isn't enough volatility for them to be interested. According to the London Stock Exchange there was 27 trades yesterday, and 18 on Monday; Up to yesterday, there's only been 188 trades since the start of September.
Depends on the price and the hype, if the stock price was lower than my current average price per share then I'd probably watch and wait, If the price was much higher than my average cost per share I'd likely jump out and sit on the cash, and then watch and wait. In truth I don't see a bid happening, but it's worth having a plan.
My guess is that the BT Board would reject a bid immediately, unless it was so high they're compelled to approach shareholders, and a hostile takeover would be really difficult to achieve with all the defences in place. If a bid did happen, the price would likely climb close to the bid price in short order, so that'd be the time to ask me what I'd do.
Mandy you should read through what you've typed, as it doesn't make sense. If BT was successfully taken over it would no longer be a UK listed company; In payment for their current stock, holders would either receive cash, or shares in Deutsche Telekom, either way BT would no longer exist. If you wanted exposure to the previously owned BT assets, you'd have to buy shares in DT and you wouldn't only be investing in what was once BT's assets, you'd be investing DT's worldwide assets. As far as me selling out if DT, Altice, or whoever made a bid, It would make sense since I believe the bid would be rejected and failing that the Government would step in; I'd see it as a no brainer to jump out under those circumstances, and jump back in when the dust settled if a bid did fail.