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So who’s up for guessing how they will spend their £150,000 budget for testing of Liquids. This lot is feasible (small scale) within budget Hydrotreater, Cracking unit, Isomerization unit, Alkylation unit, and Distillation column. If so, this may enable basic testing of petrol, diesel and SAF output liquids. 😊 come on Paul give us a clue....

Paxaran: That's a good start. If this or other solutions go main stream, it'll be a game changer.

Patxaran. I’m sure they can process some mixed plastics of low and high density from the same polymer base but have my reservations with unsorted plastic waste. PVC is a different beast and potentially nasty stuff as we have all read if not treated correctly. None of us have access to the precisely what ancillary kit is being bolting on and more importantly for what reason. Yes, they mention liquids but with no context or chain of events. I hope Ireland doesn’t become another Protos for the same reasons . As for Tyre crumb bare in mind 40-50 mesh crumb rubber: = a cost of 800 - 2,000 USD per tonne as per 2023. No gate fees on this one as the value is driven by the increasing demand in various industries such as construction, sports, and automotive. I keep watching for AI driven waste sorting which would open up the market benefiting all. 😊 Stay positive.

Is not impossible Castle, but it needs some serious tech development and expensive gas scrubbing for PVC (hydrogen chloride (HCl) and dioxins). Other volatile organic compounds will also require treatment to conform to standards. Shredding size and consistency of stock is a factor but there will be no cucumber sandwiches in that environment as operators with be head to toe in PPE. 😊

Yep after sorting recyclable plastics you are left with a plethora of non recyclable plastic varieties to separate prior to testing. Thermoset plastics, Hazardous Medical plastics, Multiple layer/ blended plastic s with additives & antioxidants, Polycarbonates (Bisphenol A, leaching), and Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC) to name a few. IMO If they could bung all this lot into a DMG, Protos would be up and running by now.

Piltick: Apologies for not being clear. I was referring to Mixed Plastic waste, indicating plastics are sorted prior to testing “Flexible process: can be adapted to different types of plastics and optimize production. A number of plastic samples have been tested, including those that cannot be recycled by other traditional methods”.

Thanks Castle re fuel cell article: This article along with others indicate that plastics types are separated for the Feedstock Testing Unit (FTU) although it is still in the optimization phase. Sadly, no mention of mixed plastic feed stock testing to date.

Lol x2

Statement of “Continue work on development of alternative outputs from DMG” It might help if our CEO explained if this is driven by inquiries or they just fancy some distillation kit?

50 innovative climate technology start-ups (May be next year ☹)

https://www.pwc.co.uk/issues/esg/pdf/net-zero-future-50-2025.pdf

Dusty always happy to be corrected. That being the case i wonder what or who is driving the investment of kit for "liquids"?

Saudi Arabia? This addition first became apparent late last year although very little proof at the time.

posted 6 Dec 2024 12:31 https://www.aramcolife.com/en/publications/the-arabian-sun/articles/2023/week-29-articles/plastic-recycling-technology-aramco---total---sabic

This may be the reason why further kit is required for stage 2. If Saudi has shown an interest as quoted with “alternative outputs from DMG i.e. Liquids”, this could be the driver for kit to test liquids/oils proof at scale.

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Matched research funding required in my opinion if their serious. Pigs might fly...

Lol , Don’t think there was anyone at the CMD from the Cayman Islands. One good thing is, we won’t have a ski slope chart thrust on us.

australian stuff? with 5 years given as a time span for the contract doesn’t do it for me, to much room for can kicking.

the collaboration with avioxx with their expertise and technology, should reduce the timeline and risk associated with saf development as noted in the recent rns. if all goes well, i see a pipeline of 2-3 years before anything significant materialises. back of a *** packet may be but can’t see it being quicker than the following : design and procurement 3-6 months : pilot-scale demonstration 6-12 months : commercialization and deployment 6-18 months :total project timeline: 2-3 years.

Re Local Power Plan (LPP) Given the momentum to encourage separation of waste to enable more efficient choices for WTE. Within the figures from Environmental permitting etc for new builds at 3 tonnes per day (10 tonnes for hazardous waste) appears to fall outside serious EA scrutiny. Also scaling of DMG at 2.99 tons per day may be within the capital investment scope of LLP (Local Power Plan) pending proof of off-take as an income. Certainly over 1000 Tonnes a year of productive waste to energy and additional savings of landfill or export fees should be an attractive incentive . A small scale DMG could put PHE on a strong footing for larger scale plants? Avioxx, I also see as a catalyst, Just a thought 😊

Red : we are on the same page just looking at objectives in a different light. You might be right on the crisp packet scenario with GB Energy encouraging Local Power Plan (LPP) . https://party.coop/2025/04/04/gb-energy-first-projects-announcement/ I ‘ll keep an eye on further announcements. In the mean time Gov funding to the big boys continues.

https://www.thechemicalengineer.com/news/teesside-saf-plant-selects-joint-johnson-matthey-and-bp-production-process/ I hope the CEO doesn’t go silent until ancillary gear is ordered or installed as would like at least a time scale for the next stage of proof at scale.

Red IMO

Agree “timeframes will lead to delays”. Inevitable as waste feedstock from serious clients will need contracts regarding supply parameters with guarantees to boot.

Given PHE will be selective in its testing for those who tick all the boxes particularly as company Tech staff and cash resources are limited. Charging is the only method to ensure the FTU is self-sustainable. Testing costs can come in many guises, setup fees, Data interrogation etc . A simple contractual agreement with clauses is the norm to protect confidential info and guarantee you won't choke on your trainers. 😊 Note Universities have access to grants for research (as in Manchester) . Lets see if this side develops alongside the stated pipeline.

Lol: We could do with some of this https://www.lse.co.uk/SharePrice.html?shareprice=VCIG.US&share=Vci-Global-Limited

Red: Prospective clients will be sending their own waste over the coming months to enable both PHE and the client to analysis results, honing and adapting control software and hard-ware as required. Whether PHE will charge for the testing facility or any further specialist ancillary equipment needed is something I’m uncertain about.