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STP and now more woe from the fool, no not me, the motley one:

https://www.fool.co.uk/2026/02/23/just-as-lloyds-shares-cleared-1-a-shocking-new-risk-has-emerged/

T, think it said somewhere that we had half as much before Gordi sold it. Mind it likely only meant it was moved a foot or so to allocate it to another buyers pile. Or I think it said, don't even do that now, just allocate the serial no to others.

Might pay us to buy some plated fake bars from China and sneak a few real bars out to pay off the national debt. Doubt anyone would know, if we took those at the bottom of the pile.

Joking aside an interesting article, makes my little amount seem feeble.

Money tree are well fertilised if the PM were to get tough and refuse to part with others gold held here:

https://news.sky.com/story/flatplan-13509266

I expect, more atheists have killed more people in equally brutal ways over the years and if not, will do.

Also remember that many of those butchering people use religion as the excuse to take land, or wealth, or to rule over the weaker, gullible masses.

A little like my last post was saying that Governments can use banning free speech not so much to protect individuals but to achieve what they wish to happen.

People from all walks of life lie to get what they want.

Just in the past when fewer questioned the wisdom, or dared accuse a religious leader or a member of the Gentry or Royalty of touching a child inappropriately or worse, the child would have been beaten to dare suggest such, or locked up in an asylum.

Even Saville seemingly being nice to children on TV shows and at hospitals was immune for years.

Now it seems it is the turn of others to be fire proof in such vile crimes, for reasons I fail to grasp, unless they have a hold over the upper echelons of society in some way, but as the perverts from the top down are exposed, perhaps one day it won't be only the Saville's Glitters and Hindley's who are household names in such regards.

Hard to understand for people who have far less in life to see people having to risk everything on a sick desire. Perhaps physical castration may help ease their thoughts and at least would prevent flawed dna ruining future lives of the next generation of the young.

Once a nation allows it's children to be abused without hardly a murmur, then one knows, without AI or stats needed, that all hope is lost.

God, Gods, or nature help the next generation.

Blame the TV as Ms Whitehouse did, blame videos, blame the net, blame teachers, blame religion, but whatever punish all caught so severely that they won't be able to ever commit such again.

Lloyds may well be effected by the growing adverse publicity from the fall out which will drag the King into the fray thus the UK. But as I said, once the trend is downwards, it take little to aid the slide.

Harley, seems dictators are not keen on elections, whilst the less obvious wannabe dictator merely postpone such, whilst censoring true free speech, and start to limit internet content for children's well being, but in reality just using such as a means to an end in likeyhood. Parents have options on reducing children gaining access to unsuitable content, but most handy for a Government to pretend to be oh so caring to then increase what is harmful in its opinion to suit its wishes, not the childrens.

Mind we see it small scale on here, with any nay sayer on Lloyds shares slated, and anything less than centre left group don't like, reported, so thus far only the ballot box gives true views of the publics desires, but the lead up to any GE is full of lies, mis information, and phoney fake news. But still better than a full dictatorship, so we all have to go along with such and hope that just the majority of people use their eyes, ears, and being a part of the community to know what's really occurring not biased news, Gov lies, or hand sifted lacking info stats used in an attempt to smokescreen real life.

Feel Lloyds has had its rise, trend being your friend, as then, any bad news never hampered it much, now good news will do likewise and only temp ease the slide. Hope I am wrong as not sold any. Wish I had jumped ship to NW for better div though. Mid March and car DCA will likely be used to good effect too.

Still raining but must be Spring like soon.

Harley, we all have been used to cheap foreign imported goods, the majority of which were cheap because of the lower living standards, wages, health and safety, longer hours, child labour etc utilised in producing cheaper goods that we could ever produce.

But slowly the importation of cheap goods, ruined the ability to manufacture our own goods anymore as we could clearly never compete with the true poverty level of workers in various countries who had little choice but to work for such.

So tariffs are used to level up some of the difference, in a vain hope to create much needed jobs, by making it once again pay for the country to create more of its own goods. Those countries who have been used to cheap goods, ultimately pay a huge social price by creating situations where work dries up, crime rises, benefit claims rise, and society funding rent, mortgages, and everything else the unemployed gain pay via stealth taxes for these cheap imported goods.

Problem is, if a country bans such imports, then the people used to cheaper goods naturally feel disadvantaged over others peoples who can buy cheaper. But tariffs starts a tit for tat as we see with the US is facing.

But to do nothing and just watch your manufacturing slip away, but your population and costs rise as people, who, just a few years back, were unable to easily enter wealthier nations, now by gaining a smart phone have all the info, the aid and help at their fingertips to do even if illegally as we see in the UK. All adding to the strain on finite resources of the chosen host adopted nation, especially when the arrival numbers are in the real sense of the word, never ending.

That is why people are rightly concerned for their future and we all know only too well, where the UK heads, so will Lloyds. Of course more bodies need more houses, helping keep property prices higher but as homes become less affordable, as prices can only drop a certain amount as land is being made anymore, and building materials and wages rise, then defaults on mortgages etc may well cancel out any gain by sheer demand alone.

We will see but if a massive population was the answer to a countries problem then much of the third world should be affluent, but seems on China with a dictator ruling can pay its way.

STP, I never mentioned any race in my post. Perhaps it is you that has the problem if you think this only applies to anyone except the British? Or perhaps you have an issue with those less intelligent or suffering deeper mental problems, who, IF you are correct about Reform voters fitting either cat, then you should pity, not fear them? For if any idiot or mentally ill person told you to vote for a party, then UNLESS you agreed with the parties ideas, you would certainly be a fool voting for such.

According to your thoughts the largest percentage of Americans are fools too.

Show pity for those not so clever as yourself, explain and educate people don't hate them, as it is not their fault they can't see the benefits that you and others can see happening in the UK, and like any religion, just wish to see a little proof, as blind faith and hope for the less wise is not enough.

STP, Reform potential voters are concerned that the country that they grew up in as children has become unrecognisable in many places, with more to follow suit as time passes.

They are sick of seeing their wives and daughters afraid to go out where once the risk to such was minimal.

They are sick of hearing on the semi censored news, that a man has stabbed, shot or run down innocent people in some vile attack, with no details of the perpetrator given, being most telling, until days later, when it has invariably evaded capture.

People are tired of drug dealers, of antagonistic, arrogant swaggering low life filling clubs and pubs, making an night out a risky venture for men, let alone females who are pestered, drugged, followed home causing more and more people to not bother to go out, killing pubs and clubs, and making walking at night something to fear in this country now in areas where such until recently wasn't an issue.

People are angered by seeing money spent on housing which their own kith and kin would have once gained but given to others now, or queuing for long awaited doctors or hospital appointments due to so many more people here.

Being told that less people will be needed, watching unemployment rise, but demand on energy, water, waste water, traffic, parking, housing, medical needs, mental health care, rise.

Fed up with being told there are too many old, as if new arrivals are immortal, and once they age, then what, the UK just has a larger problem to face, whereas when the current ageing population depart, eventually after a few decades, life would have corrected itself and lower population would reduce stress on most of the above.

So perhaps many consider the much overblown risk to some of their wealth being taken if Reform do well, will be more than worth it to have the demise of their culture, country and standard of living in the future a little less under threat. And if you have had a loved one stabbed, shot, raped, abused, or just now no longer able to walk without fear, and pestering, or have had your home raided, bag snatched, phones stolen, cars taken then a clutching at straws vote may well be better than certainty of more of the same spreading over the coming years.

Protection and safety is paramount to the electorate and current and past Gov's have let all down badly.

Your Lloyds shares may be taxed, but better that than stealth taxes to fund more costly and criminality for evermore.

Freedom and life is more important than just a bit more cash to hoard for your loved ones, or indeed yourselves.

Harley, but apart from that!

Should WW3 breakout, I think you will see just how many loyal draft dodgers we harbour here, so not an endangered species. Lies, arrogance are it would seem essentials for the job, and mind changing is akin to U turning, again, seemingly popular with political figures.

As we witness with even our beloved Royal family, few are immune from perhaps committing crime, just that most never get caught or evade prosecution when challenged.

Like here I think the people of the US were fed up with suits doing nothing, at least he has tried to take direct action, and his unpredictability makes foes very wary of him. Even Iran is open now to sharing oil with the US, IF they are to be trusted, but thankfully President Trump isn't brainwashed into trusting such beings and hopefully will not be fooled by such.

Odd how many smirk at the USA's rising debt, yet fail to suggest ways of reducing such, and slate a POTUS for at least doing something for his electorate rather than sit back, take the easy option and live in luxury forever which President Trump could easily do. IF oil was 100 dollars a litre HE and his family would still be driving huge cars, still heating massive homes, but would many of the US electorate. so trying to enrichen his country is not just for himself, as he is never going to live to spend what he has.

Re "Repeating something 10 times and rambling unfinished incoherent sentences again and again will not suffice other than trying to convince himself."

Troublesome, most if not all of us are guilty of doing such, although we usually do so over days, not all in the same day. For if as we all do, you feel strongly about a subject, and others don't get your view, you have little choice in repeating yourself, but usually by giving examples of why you think as you do.

I think President Trump loves his country and its people, and sure he, like we all would, also wants what is best for himself and family and friends and is so impassioned get a blinkered view in the best ways to achieve what he wants to happen, but like anyone getting older, time not being on your side, means there is little time for long patient diplomatic give and take.

88, will be the same for Mr Farrage, for the brainwashing via HMG's , Beeb et al, and with a younger generation knowing no different it is obvious that all the stooges will be sent in place in Reform long before the next GE, to suddenly have videos etc come to light in a goodly time pre GE.

Mind you can see all the ex or current Tories dis anything and everything Labour do achieve as the Labour supporters did with the Tories when they were in power on here.

We all are biased but think we are not, but so long as we have some proof of our reasoning, then all should be allowed to say what they think imo, so long as the opposing side can fully say what they think. THAT though is the difference now, but the public are still not easily fooled on issues they witness daily, despite the media ensuring their bias limits exposure where they want to but highlights it elsewhere. All I ask is for the truth fully to be shown to all.

Trump at least has such a loose cannon mouth that the voting public knows what he is like,as he can't help saying what he feels unlike the slimy well rehearsed usual PM's Presidents and MP's. Also President Trump, after his first term, people knew what he was like, so the masses knew what they wanted. We know that Reform will likely hit banks, but the financial loss if such is true may well be worth the loss for less stealth taxes to fund one never ending cost and loss of the UK's countryside, and culture.

Can't have it all ways it seems. Like Picasso and Marmite, either you love such or you don't. The masses not individual will decide, but with plenty of corrupted sway from all sources. Lloyds will follow no doubt with the UK's decisions.

Also, Silver mines can be heavily taxed by the country they are in, or nationalised, or suffer from disasters, strikes, or as we saw with covid, at risk from any human epidemics, and of course the refining costs, shipping costs of the ore all are costly, so to expect a purified price of silver to match that of a hole in the dirt with all the risks and more above, to match the percentage rise of silver to a mine is naive.

Re "The presidents tariffs on other countries just hurts the citizens the president represents by taking money out of their pockets increasing inflation in the process."

So, what is the President supposed to do, just sit back, take the money, and watch your countries industries close down one by one, due to cheap imports, thus then adding to your unemployment problem which is more costly and damaging in the long term than people paying more in tariffs, whilst the US then has a reason, and a need to make its own goods once more.

Like Brexit the transition time will be long, but it is about the future gain, or damage limitation that some leaders care about, and their own people more than being able to just buy cheap goods from countries who often treat their own workers appallingly.

Alternative for the President is to do nothing and watch the debt pile grow until the dollar collapses, or more likley start WW3 to end the states demise, both of which is far far worse than at least trying to do something about it, with a short term pain long term gain vision.

But because the great President has spoken the truth about the issues of those that can do no wrong, he will be slated whatever he does. Sure he makes huge mistakes but only those who do nothing never do so.

88, Perhaps the Presidents tariff on other countries will part trade for goods by a one off funding of immigrants to re locate from the U. S into the countries he chooses to trade with should both parties be willing to accept such a deal. After all, they should be more valuable than any currency as we are discovering for our selves as unemployment soars keeping stealth taxes high and limiting wage true growth by lowering inflation as living standards slide despite seemingly higher wages as taxes in council tax etc mop up the higher wages and return funds the HMG to house, treat, attempt to educate and fund a growing population.

How the UK will fare from any tariff changes in the US is unknown, for if our deal was more favourable than others, then, it ought to result in more pain for the UK and thus Lloyds. Time over the weekend will tell on Monday I guess.

US markets surprising not over reacted yet it seems.

President Trump can overcome this, for the true free West needs to curb it's internal ruination:

Donald Trump had been warning for months that a Supreme Court decision curtailing his ability to impose tariffs would be an “economic and national security disaster” with “catastrophic” consequences. A six-justice majority of the Supreme Court, in ruling against the president today, didn’t care much about his concerns.

Congress, not the president, has the power to impose tariffs, the justices held. And nothing in the law that the president cited in his legal defence, the Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977, delegated such sweeping powers to Trump.

The court’s decision represents a rare check on this president’s broad use of executive authority. A majority of the justices over the past year have shown a willingness to allow Trump to press ahead with his agenda, particularly on immigration and reshaping the federal government, even as legal challenges work their way through the court system.

This case, considered on an expedited basis, slams the door on one such expansive use of presidential authority.

With several other major cases involving controversial uses executive power – such as efforts to end birthright citizenship and to dismiss a Federal Reserve governor based on alleged improprieties – this may not be Trump’s only setback in the coming months.

Years ago now, UKOG were proposing to drill for oil on the Isle of Wight, and as my family had land there I wrote to the council as they did too, to propose that they refused the application, for even then UKOG was floundering badly, and I suggested that should the drilling contaminate underground chalk water sources which the Island relied upon, then UKOG would likely not have the funds and means to compensate or be able to remedy any such disasters.

Whatever there thoughts, the council there turned down UKOG's application, and for a council which is known to be greedy for cash, and often suggested by people that it is persuaded by large thank you cards, to me, it was most telling, so luckily never bought in.

The ramping at the time was rife, with idiots with camera's filming and counting the amount of tankers leaving UKOG sites, imagining the 'value' of the oil within. It turned out to be takers carrying dirty contaminated drilling fluid! Others were looking a tankers plimsole line to guesstimate the weight of oil alleged to have come from UKOG sites. Enough perhaps to oil a cycle chain.

Most aim's get over hyped, with a seemingly wise tiny band, sucking in other fools, and calling everyone trolls who ask the right questions.

I learned a lot from UKOG re this and see the same of aim miners and oilys.

Beware all for the future as these cetins are smart, and rob the naive so often. Always a 'no brainer' always different this time, until it isn't.

Charles, I am certain that late March, the DCA will, once again, be used to good effect to lower Lloyds, whatever price it is by then.

Harleygreen, fully agree that all news, especially nowadays is gloom laden, and I do hold the crown for erring on that side. My point being that so many people now only do a few hours,= when in employment, as I do myself. All perfect as it gives a life to work balance. But not so many years back, most normal working employed people did 40 hours, and paid tax into Gov coffers.

Now so many are working part time, just enough hours to claim max universal credit to ensure that then, by doing 16-20 hours, no more as benefits are cut if they do, they still get full help with rent, max food, heating allowance, free meals for children, free prescriptions, free transport and uniforms for children, and if as many do, claiming for a child's isim, then plenty more besides. So the point is, many pay no tax despite being counted as full time working, and indeed most as I say claim considerable handouts and or, don't have to pay what real full time workers have to fund.

This makes them not only better off financially, but with half the week to do as they choose, they can have a far nicer life, or they as many do, work part time cash in hand, thus upping their income, but again paying nothing in to the Gov coffers. So many pretend to be single parents, to then be allowed to work the min hours to qualify for full benefits, despite having the invisible lovers income.

To many on here who don't know or mix this huge section of society, it remains in their minds as just tabloid fabrication, but anyone who knows families living on estates will know I speak the truth. The scale is massive, and as here, the Gov are also unaware of the scale of benefit fraud, and due to race rules, and other privacy rules and laws to investigate becomes a slow, costly and unfeasible exercise for HMG to prevent such even if fully aware.

Fines are unrecoverable in most cases IF caught, and so the issue grows ever larger, with the children of such seeing living on the dole a reasonable lifestyle if you have children, sadly the world has due to mobile tech understood this now, so the whole issue is out of control.

The rich and the poor swindle, just the poor are growing and greater in numbers, especially when the worlds poor join in the great swindle.

Lloyds co joined to the UK suffers as whoever tries to Govern this mess will struggle until a hard line Gov, should such exist, ends cash, has AI check and anyone claiming benefits, and have income public knowledge, for their are a lot of children so called living in poverty, but oddly their parents aren't.

Title should have read Levelling down, not up.

But get the picture anyway