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With respect Hamil those are hugely distorted articles.

pity you don't

Bella - I'm inclined to think that TPEP simply want the basket of 20 shares that Vaneck ETF offers but without the 2 Largo and BMN that are Vanadium rather than rare earth plays. They are simply long on rare earths.

Vaneck are simply reproducing the MVIS® Global Rare Earth/Strategic Metals Index (MVREMXTR), which it is claimed covers at least 90% of the investable universe (within the definition of the title).

I think I know where this idea has got its legs - there's a political right wing in germany that wishes to challenge the success of the greens there. Their latest wheeze, in attempting to deal with the shutting down of their brown coal (lignite) production is to turn their huge coal power stations into 'thermal batteries' - so keep the exactly the same turbines running, but instead of being heated by coal they are heated by hot air from something else - eg a thermal store exactly as the one described in the Siemens article.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/germany-thermal-storage-into-coal-plants

I think you can see why Siemens are doing this now - they are sucking up to a political wing in Germany, hoping that they can get a piece of those multi-billion dollar projects. These would turn renewable electricity into poor quality heat, all so they can get a small fraction of the electricity back at a later date, whilst ticking the box that says they are helping 'coal communities'. You could not really make this nonsense up .

Just popped up at the bottom of the bid - nice to see that people are still converting these into long term holdings.

Aaaaaaaargh

Electrical energy is converted into hot air by means of a resistance heater and a blower that heats the rock to 750° Celsius.

So you convert electrical energy to heat using a resistance wire. Cheap, yeah. Efficient - a big NO

1) you lose perhaps 50% in comparison with a heat pump on the warming cycle and 2) you also lose on the way back down due to the intrinsic Carnot limits of a heat engine - so overall perhaps you only recover 25% of the electricity you pump into this 'battery'.

I am surprised by Siemens as they have good engineers - this must be a marketing led decision to make out that they are doing something in battery storage having evidently missed the boat. In a few years, or perhaps sooner, they will realise their mistake and end up having to buy BMN for a minimum of $5 Billion

Uksteveg - I think it is called ADVFN - half of them are there already anyway

humbled Pdub - thanks very much and hope that your treatment is going well. And when are you getting your guitar ?

There was genuine buying in China in November as witnessed by the differential between the Asian Metal China Price and the Asian Metal European price, as evidenced in both V2O5 and FeV

spbhoy - we get them a lot - they're supposedly to do with balancing of other 'exchanges' such as spreadbet sites.

Bella - those guys highly dubious

Bella - with respect this is really in no way proven - if you can only really use the 'electrolyte' once then it begs the question as to whether it really is part of a battery.

I don't think Vanadium will ever achieve the energy densities that are supposedly required for eV applications

compared with the true finish of 28.5p yesterday. Nobody is fooled.

Well it's basically up 1p from yesterday's true closing price of 28.5p so so that's over 3% which seems ok to me.

Hamil23 - every little helps

Adam - yes that happens because there are multiple Market Makers competing for the opportunity to trade shares - this is a generally a good sign as it means that no single MM is in control and dominating the long timescale SP behaviour - eg by selling lots of shares that they do not have then walking it back to fleece a tame seller they may have on the hook.

but he's simply providing shares for the MMs to flip - so no change in the SP

sammy58 - china also uses 52% of the worlds Vanadium, though that can be expected to increase in future, so it's actually pretty balanced.

With respect Vanadium price would say that because they have a distorted US-centric view of the world.

Vanadium cannot be 'weaponized' like the rare earths because it is a very abundant element. More common than Nickel, Chromium, Zinc or Copper. You'd have more luck weaponizing Care Bears.

The name's Bond, Vanadium Bond