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Answer: No, the bill is currently around $850M AUD.

Given that TNG's MCap is currently less than 1/8th of that figure there is more than a distinct chance that current shareholders there will be obliterated if they ever find anyone to stump up that amount of cash.

Do we know if they would get any change out of AUD500M for building such a plant ?

But brilliant that a Vanadium based flow battery is out in the lead, and it's made by Cellcube, who I seem to recall recently announced that they were in discussions to be purchased by, hmmmm let me remember, oh yes, the Bushveld consortium.

Now do you believe ?

Plus the 'Immergy' that they refer to in the article should actually be 'Imergy' (wound up years ago but admittedly they do seem to know that unlike many of these 'research' reports that we see available for only $2995 ). Vizn is still going with their Zinc based flow battery, but they had something of a squeeky bum episode recently when one of their batteries, on test at a major european site, cough, exploded.

that is interesting but I have absolutely no idea why they have lockheed martin on that graph as they don't even have a flow battery product yet.

Based upon resource and grade Uis is already in the top 10 of global tin mines.

What some have not yet spotted is on resource size that it is also in the top 7 of hard rock lithium projects. Most of these are spodumene, but ours is petalite, which would appear to offer the higher purity ore that is most sought out for ceramics applications ( https://digitalfire.com/4sight/material/petalite_1114.html )

if you had bothered to pay interest yesterday you could have picked those up at 0.5p lower price.

There's always one that knows better, eh ?

Olly4 - I doubt that Largo would be involved given the clear priority that the purchase agreement gives to BMN/BE for the supply of Vanadium/electrolyte

In mobile transportation it is possible to use the movement to drive air over either the Lithium-ion cells or their liquid based cooling systems plus radiators. This potentially reduces the space taken up by the airconditioning/cooling systems that need to be used on Lithium-ion batteries when they are used for stationary storage applications. It is the need to provide space for these systems (plus power of course is needed to run them), plus the additional space needed to provide individual access to each specific Lithium-ion battery module that bulks up LiB systems when used for stationary storage and makes them, in practise, much closer to the volumetric density that can be obtained with VRFBs. Remember that stationary energy storage applications are also quite a lot more demanding in that the battery can be on full power for many tens of minutes, even hours, unlike in eVs your traditional 5 seconds blasting off the lights to beat the RS turbo next door.

Also in mobile applications it is not just the volumetric energy density that is important it is also the specific energy density that is important (i.e. per unit weight). In fast moving machines (rockets, planes, cars and perhaps to a lesser extent trains) the more mass you have to accelerate and take around corners the greater the forces you need to apply, and the greater the kinetic energy of the moving vehicle. Ships go quite slowly and ferries often only have short distances to go so perhaps there is an argument for VRFBs there for the more weighty VRFB systems.

I'm actually looking at applications at present where the additional weight of a VRFB system is beneficial in providing a ballasting counterweight for PV panel systems, so weight is not always a bad thing.

Wow that's something

SIPPmeister - yep thats the feature that really makes it work for both parties.

Mogwhy - yep 5000 tonnes of contained Vanadium (not Vanadium Pentoxide compound) is the acknowledged amount per GWh

Sanchez - looks like 17800 for tin is a critical threshold to breach. But what do I know I'm just a technical analyst who looked at the graph for 12 seconds and saw it rise to that point in October.

Markets are much more complicated than that. To be honest what the tin price does is rather roger irrelevant when you've just built a processing plant that can produce Tin AND Tantalite.

Add in the potential for Lithium production and at very low cost you've not only brought one of the world's largest tin mines back into production but you've also turned it into a multi commodity production machine that hedges what happens in one commodity against what is happening in two others. It's truly a remarkable story which those here may have only a limited amount of time to be able to buy cheaply into.

That's $35 Million worth of Vanadium in just one project

One of the biggest opportunities for Cellcube, and by extension BMN is the 50MW/200MWh Port Augusta battery in South Australia.

https://www.cellcubeenergystorage.com/cube-press-release-5142019

RichKen - yep it could be in less than 3 weeks - " It is intended that the Main SPA and other principal transaction documents will be signed on or before 31 December 2019, with completion to occur as soon as practical thereafter."

Indeed Ophidian, what he doesn't know is that he's been on our troll watch list since 31st August 2018.

Alwaysone - maybe if you paid attention to what other people are writing you might learn something.

maybe overvoltage due to too much wind power on the lines - again VRFB's could help take some of that load off (ok well actually they would be adding loading on, but you get the point)

I've pointed this out to LSE who say they are working on it