Taxes and invest (part 2)30 Apr 2024 18:56
The level of income is expected to be around £3,500 from those holdings. I am rather resigned to pay tax on the surplus over £1,000 (joint dealing account rules) at 8% but this income is within the personal allowance rules for income tax. We will ignore that as I am not an accountant and things can get messy and confused very quickly.
We fully intend to execute "bed and ISA" deals as a matched bargain so only the dealing cost and stamp duty is paid. This shelters £40,000 for the tax year at the maximum cost of Stamp Duty plus broker fee. We are also generous parents and propose to help our children. We have sufficient capital to be able to gift to them, and we have chosen the figure of £60,000, and need to survive 7 years for it to fall out of our estate for IHT purpose. We can gift it from our joint dealing accounts or ISA's. It doesn't matter.
Rules allow capital withdrawn from an ISA to be replaced in the SAME tax year. We can thus shelter a total of £100,000 over the course of a year. These are figures for me, and you might be different, of course. Selling holdings up to the value of the CGT allowance makes sense for us even if some are sold at a loss. Losses are either applied against gains in the same year or, if not applied can be carried forward, provided that HMRC are told within a certain time limit in an annual return.
At some point we will be selling a 2nd home and the tax from gains on property are far greater than those for shares. Such a gain has to be paid within a few weeks of the property transaction, brought forward losses from previous years can be applied and it makes sense to sell any underperforming holdings to further mitigate tax on holdings that are underperforming. Proceeds either held as cash or re-invested is sensible.
FWIW, I calculate that it will take about 9 years with average growth (and luck) to convert our joint dealing account to ISA wrapper and plan during this time to gift £500,000 to both children and settle further £350,000 into a trust while drawing sufficient income to meet our modest life, running 3 cars, 3 motorcycles, 2 horses, 2 dogs and enjoying a few weeks in the winter skiing and a couple of weeks in the sunshine of the Aegean.
All our multi baggers are sheltered in ISA along with the bulk of dividends that are generated. Don't let the tax tail wag the dog. This is not investment advice, but might give a clue to investors worried about losses (or gains) to use the rules to advantage. Newly married might not feel comfy about gifting capital to spouse. As we approach our ruby anniversary, such doubts were eliminated years ago.