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Good point Ctw. How on earth do we expect to be satisficed with a measly 50%+ SP rise in 12 months?!! The conspiracy theorists are obviously right about the company refusing to let the price rise any further - It's blindingly obvious!!! The II's are keeping the price low to buy loads and short change the PI's!! I DON'T think.
Possibly the sp is being held, or ‘manipulated’ to allow the big boys to buy at the level they want, but if so that is just the name of the game imo and as I said in an earlier post, sooner or later the big guys will want their profit and the patient small guys will get theirs when they do.
It looks to me like the bigger trades are mostly buys from smart money buying up all the smaller sells from bored traders etc
For perspective maybe look at the one year chart? This time last year the SP was under 12p. Doesn’t seem that bad to me. If short term traders don’t like it and move on, fine by me. I will take solid fundamentals, massive potential and slow and steady share price appreciation any day over sharp swings pounced on by day traders.
I have to agree with this statement to some extent.. The price is doing nothing.
.. and who is selling at the moment to suppress any price rise? Is it insiders or the institutions - those who know so much more than us PI's? Nope ...
Or is it impatient PI's creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of doom and gloom?!
I'll caveat that I don't think communication has been perfect, and that we should have had visibility of revenue that has occurred such as the Novacyt test component supply and indications of lab service uptake, however, I 'm not convinced that finger in the air figures for future Covid revenue will help much ... If he gets it wrong and overestimates, the SP will get destroyed ...
Yes exactly my point, but it doesn't apply to Ygen. Precisely because of what most have been saying.
Big buys don't move it. Big sells don't move it. She'd loads positive rns don't move it. Broker rerate don't move it. Acquisitions dont move it. Placings dont move it.
Get my drift.
Any other share I have been involved in would have reacted to at least some of that. And all the flag bearers on here, keep saying wait till the next rns, wait till the next approval, wait till the 3 month covid update, wait till the half yearlies.
It's staring everyone in the face. It's being manipulated.
If you don't believe BB's can affect the share price, how do you explain all the pump n dumps on ****ty shares?
If your happy hogarth then that's fine. It's a BB for all not just flag bearers.
Burying your head in the sand is fine, but if there is something I'm not happy with I'll call it out, on here, at the AGM, down my local tesco express if I so wish.
If you went to a restaurant and had an expensive meal, and most of it was OK but your steak was overcooked and you asked for medium rare, would you say something. Or just accept that most of it was OK so you will let it slide.
Well I'm not happy with most being OK, I want it all to be OK, and given the bit of Ygen that isn't OK imv is directly impacting PI's then I'll say so.
Nothing said on here will impact the SP of Ygen. Somebody could come a buy a million shares and someone could come and sell a million, and it wouldn't impact the SP. Its happened. We've had. Massive sells and massive buys and it hasn't budged, except a penny or so either way.
The only thing that will change that is what LR does and what he tells us and how he tells us, not what is said on here.
FFS, this constant drone of conspiracy theories, hard done by attitude and and downbeat chatter has to stop. If you seriously think this way, do us all a favour, sell up and move on.
This company is in great shape. Be confident, be patient and rewards will almost certainly come your way with YGEN. I could not be happier as a holder and the SP will rise in time
The difference is they are privvy to info we are not to make that decision.
We are all investors wether its 100 quid or 10 mill and should have the same info.
While I'm not so naive to think that will ever happen in any company, the level to which we have been deprived of even low level intelligence is shocking and its been going on for months if not years by some accounts.
Yes, their will always be some with the patience of a saint, but there are others who's circumstances won't allow for years of waiting.
They came to Ygen seeing a company growing fantastically with a pipeline of good news and innovation. They therefore expected the SP woiuld track this growth allowing them to exit according thier investing needs.
It's to the benefit of everyone to see a steadily appreciating SP. Not what we have now.
Well someone got the un-redacted version from Stifel last year and sent it to BB members if they asked ... I'll have to dig around to find out who got it!
"We all know our value is greater than 17p, it just been surpressed, so was it a good deal. Its just allowed the iis and management to get more of the company at cheap as chips prices."
By the same logic, it also allows PIs to do same ... whether you or anyone else chooses to do so or not is a different question.
Yes, all company brokers will put out research notes on their clients. We will get the redacted walbrook version.
Pacman, exactly that a game of patience I for one refuse to play said underhand game and sell out I will reap the rewards the iis must know are coming?
IF there's an underhand game to sell the company at 50-60p, I'm quite happy to get the popcorn, hold the shares, watch and wait!
pacman, there was a 47 page note put out by Stifel on the 10th July last year. I wouldn't be surprised if there's another this year, but we need to get access to it somehow!
And that is obviously the plan. Keep the SP surpressed, which will drive out most PI's, while IIs and management snap them up at peanuts. Once mission accomplished, sell the company at fair market value, 50p, 60p whatever and make a killing.
What other reason can there be. They have even just given them 100 mill shares, which they wouldn't be able to get on the open market without driving the SP up.
We all think it was a great placing, but was it. We all know our value is greater than 17p, it just been surpressed, so was it a good deal. Its just allowed the iis and management to get more of the company at cheap as chips prices.
There is an underhand game going on.
Rather evasive? Anyway, as a LTH I think there are better options than here. Time to move on. GLA.
Steve, I think there is more chance of us seeing Jesus last written scripture held in the vaults of the Vatican than a broker note for Ygen.
We will have to do with the vetted walbrook version, when they decide to publish it.
.. and 67 shares just sold ... Who needs a Maccy D's for lunch?!
Has anyone seen the brokers note which included the updated target? Presumably they backed that up with some kind of numbers to justify moving the target up to 24p ?
twix your not a lone voice.. just a persistent one. loads of people on here have been talking about the need for flesh on the bone and have been for months. I have . I just can't see the point in repeating myself . It'll all come good...in time. imo
If there quick of the mark they may even be able to announce the 1st sales in the interims - they've got 6 weeks!