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@Matterhorn thanks for the insights, it’s the first I’ve seen or heard that guy, I will discredit him moving forward.
Doc83, what the epidemiologists are saying tonight:
“ For individuals who have been double-jabbed and infected with Delta, the picture is better still. “If you’ve been double-jabbed and then infected with Delta and recovered, then you have got a very broad, very effective immune response, that probably covers pretty much any variant that you can think of,” said David Matthews, professor of virology at the University of Bristol. This is because such individuals have been exposed to the virus (through infection with Delta) and the spike protein from the original Wuhan strain (through vaccination). “It means you’ve got an antibody response that covers both classic and modern strains and a very broad T cell response, not just against the spike protein, but against all the other proteins that Sars-CoV-2 makes – and that’s incredibly helpful,” Matthews said.
The biggest worry is for those who remain unvaccinated. “If they are right that this virus is even better at transmitting than Delta, and it looks like they are, what will happen is that it will speed up the rate at which this virus finds the unvaccinated and puts them in hospitals, and that will therefore increase the pressure on the NHS,” said Matthews. “That is what will trigger a lockdown, if hospitalisation rates go above a certain threshold, whatever that is.” The Guardian.
According to the data from SA epidemiologists, the vast majority of Gauteng hospitalised are unvaccinated, or only partially vaccinated. Dr Eric Feng didn’t mention this because he’s not an epidemiologist, he’s a nutritional expert. So, I think you’ll find the data say’s that yes, it actually it does work.
Fruitsnveg, the different with the polio jab is that it actually works ;)
Ah well, another Monday beckons. Fingers crossed it’s a good one for SNG. Night all.
AJ316 - I find Dr Eric Ding an annoying little chap. He’s more interested in creating drama - an attention seeking exercise by him. The WHO text you posted is good. It’s a measured and transparent review of the current facts on omicron. It clearly states that there’s no evidence yet that omicron results in a higher % of hospitalisations whereas Dr Ding advances a different narrative to create panic.
Doc83, unfortunatley, as you can see from the data yourself without the governments's telling you so, Covid-19 is a novel disease, there is no prior experience and there many unknowns. To be fair to governments (and as you will know from my posting history that I judge them pretty firmly!) they are navigating a public health catastrophe not seen in our lifetime. They have to balance the public health of many against the beliefs of a few. I'm guessing you were jabbed for polio as a baby, as was I, as were many. It was done to protect many millions from ever suffering the misery of contracting that vile disease. They weren't doing it to curb rights and beliefs then (unless they did it and I missed it in the intervening decades!) and they are not doing it now. Think about that.
I was wearing a mask the other day on the tube and could still smell this lads BO who was 6ft away from me. I’m not convinced masks work but if someone is coughing and hacking away, I suppose I’d probably still rather wear one than not.
What I don’t like is the constant lies from the government. One jab, two jab and that’s it, actually booster jab, no vaccine passports, ah, vaccines passports… I don’t trust a word said now. I’m sure they’ll more lockdowns, more jabs, compulsory jabs, vaccine passports and more. I’ve said if before, but to me this is a dangerous path we are going down. Why would they now stop just at Covid when they know that people will do all this? It’ll be entire medical records having to be shown next.
Very interesting post by @DrEricDing today on Twitter. Telling a true story of hospitalisations in Gauteng.
Very interesting to see the amount in ICU and the amount on oxygen or ventilation. His tweets are very detailed so well worth checking his Twitter page out.
Tweet number number 5 reads
‘5) of the 747 hospitalized for #COVID19 in #Omicron epicenter of Gauteng Province, 140 are receiving oxygen or on a ventilator—19%.’
*they're
FruitnNuts - their paid to say that.
But attacking the messenger is only done when you have no argument re the message, the links are at the bottom of the page, good grief.
"Overall, we rate Primary Doctor Medical Journal (PDMJ) right biased and a quackery level pseudoscience website based on the publication of misleading and false information related to the Coronavirus."
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/primary-doctor-medical-journal/
Quackery.
Barry, I just can’t get my head around how folk like you operate inside that tiny little brain of yours.
You believe there was always going to be a new variant before Christmas so the UK government can keep us in a state of fear. What an absolute waste of human potential you have ended up being.
I can’t even begin to go in to detail on just how stupid that comment is. It baffles me in this day and age there is even people with your mindset.
NdN 71 - search harder
https://www.primarydoctor.org/masks-not-effect
Hundreds more to look at on
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
and nature.com
Find and read at least a mixed 100 and form a view from there, looking overall and then weighing against the damage they do, they are harmful and mostly useless.
wado - no such thing as infection rates, tests are for a few viral fragments that may be dead or from another virus.
Even so these 'numbers' in Sweden are much lower any way you look at them.
'near-lockdown-but not-quite guidelines' absolute twaddle and desperate cope. Pubs and restaurants open the entire time with no masks. Schools open, work from home voluntary. Doesn't matter a sod id you live alone if you have people round or go to the bars every week and everywhere is crowded. Norway and Finland completely free also, travel between freely, no slave pass required anywhere.
Yep. Filed under ‘Candace Owens Twitter disciple’i in the Tramp/Maga stupidty bin.
Off to the green bin with you barry
Woodstock, I was a so called Conspiracy Theorist but am no longer since everything I said would (or is about to) happen.
This is just part of the plan. There was always going to be something brought up a few weeks before Christmas to keep us plebs in a constant state of fear and servitude.
Hurtle, I wish you would get off the fence about your views on Covid and what's going on at the moment lol.
But I totally agree with your statements. Government basing their Omicron resistance policy on masks is absurd as there is no proven science that shows that they work. All they do is make some people feel better about themselves.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1464721347276333062
Hurtle.Check out Sweden's current infection rates..higher than France,Spain and Italy per capita.Not the anti-covid beacon it was once touted as.You must remember they have one of the highest rates in the world of single habitants and workers from home, and are also a very compliant people who have closely followed their govt's near-lockdown-but not-quite guidelines.
Czechoslovakia and Germany now also confirm Omicron cases
I am not a conspiracy theorist. However it's rather convenient that a new virus arrives on the scene just 2 weeks after COP26 ended.
Good to see posting Professor, we haven't got Docdaneeka around to keep you in line. Ha ha.
Atn
Doc83
In one of my recent post’s - I predicted we would not close above £2 before p3 results and on positive results only then or above with potential offers on the table.
SP action looks managed, maybe big players working in concert.
ProfessorSPD, love it!
Hop2, like you I’ve given up trying to understand the share price. Wouldn’t be surprised to see this back at 169p on Monday!
4 travellers with the mildest of symptoms, all fully genetically modified, wore masks.
Mass stabbing during a pandemic with leaky cytotoxic spike specific gene software experimental innocculation technique will push immune escape creating more variants, as warned for the past year by GvB etc, but no -one listens cos the telly/goolag tell you not to.
You never mass vaccinate during a pandemic, or do this version. Happily, variant almost always will become weaker version.
More people collapsing at footy games again today, fans this time.
If masks didn't stop delta, why would they work this time ?
Sweden fully open, free and v low cases, never wore masks.
Omicron is an anagram of Moronic - anyone get the feeling we are being played ???