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Doc it is reasonable to want as much relevant information as possible. I have voted with my feet by gratefully accepting a vaccine. But it is not a binary tribal decision vacc or antivacc is it ?
If a medical doctor has questions then similarly I and others do. I have had one of several different vaccinations but that doesn’t mean I have also signed a non discussion agreement for it ?
Vaccination doesn’t come without risk and understanding what those are requires time which we simply haven’t had enough yet to fully understand them all.
Atleast TalkRadio are now talking about the ‘Yellow Card’ , wish they had before thousands got jabbed last weekend.
What’s alarming is the lack of knowledge regarding the Yellow Card.
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antofelli
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RE: Eerily quietToday 07:38
Yep,.....Let's keep vaccinating the young( who don't die of covid, but are more subject to vaccines adverse reactions) for the sake of the old .....then let's find out that the old vaccinated can die anyway of COVID-19, as here reported:
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1407033868914499585?s=19
In the meantime let's make Peter Horby and his fella Martin sirs.
WELL DONE BORIS
I have followed Dr. Eric Ding for several months. This is because his comments carry far less bias than the vaccine narrative we are being fed by the UK Government and their advisors.
I do not dispute the major contribution of vaccines in controlling the virus spread. However, the attention given to credible treatments to supplement the successful vaccination programme has been disappointing to say the least.
I cannot help reflecting on the way that Sir Peter Horby dismissed the case for Synairgen as a treatment that should remain in the in-tray until fully tested and approved. One wonders how influential he has been in determining Government policy with regard to treatments to supplement the vaccine programme? Without question, he has played his part, but have he and his team downplayed what might have amounted to major life-saving and life-enhancing treatments while pursuing a different agenda?
A very sad story from a teenage vaccine victims family.. the healthy young 13 year old lad died of a enlarged heart surrounded by fluid 3 days after Pfizer jab.
https://twitter.com/tburages/status/1406738374203949065?s=19
No argument here. More data every day so maybe the unequivocal effectiveness of vaccines may relate more accurately to earlier strains time will tell.
Meanwhile everyday the odds shorten for significant SNG news.
There is some info on age related to genotyping.
The below (page 44) is easy to understand on vaccine effectiveness.
'SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation
44
Monitoring of vaccine effectiveness
Analysis of routine testing data up to the 11 June 2021, linked to sequencing and S-gene
target status has been used to estimate vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic
disease using a test negative case control design. Methods and detailed results are
available in Effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against the Delta variant. After a single
dose there was an 18% absolute reduction in vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic
disease with Delta compared to Alpha, but only a modest reduction in vaccine
effectiveness after 2 doses (Table 10).
Table 10. Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease for Alpha and Delta
variants
Vaccination status Vaccine Effectiveness (%)
Alpha Delta
Dose 1 49 (46 to 52) 31 (25 to 36)
Dose 2 88 (85 to 90) 80 (77 to 82)
Vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation was estimated by evaluating hospitalisation
rates via emergency care among symptomatic confirmed cases using survival analysis
(Stowe et al., 2021 pre-print). This analyses used available data from linkage of
symptomatic cases, 12 April to the 4 June 2021. Hazard ratios for hospitalisation are
combined with odds ratios against symptomatic disease from the test negative case
control analysis described above to estimate vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation.
Methods and detailed results are available in Stowe et al., 2021. Similar vaccine
effectiveness against hospitalisation was seen with the Alpha and Delta variants
(Table 11).
Table 11. Vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation for Alpha and Delta variants
Vaccination status Vaccine Effectiveness (%)
Alpha Delta
Dose 1 78 (65 to 86) 75 (57 to 85)
Dose 2 92 (78 to 97) 94 (85 to 98)'
Spinnaker
It is a genuine government advice note. However I am not a statistician and analysis is not that straightforward. I didn't see anything relating to age or co-morbidities but may have missed it.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/994839/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_16.pdf
Spinnaker
Antofelli what I was saying is this post is so at odds with mainstream narrative and trying to reconcile what the Dr is reporting to what we’ve been hearing.
I wasn’t critical of you or the post and surprised you seem to have taken unbridge.
The assertion that actually a significant percentage of doubly vaccinated are dying is not what I had understood to be happening.
It is a shock but thank you for posting it .
Why is this Doctor seemingly the only one picking up on this ?
Is he a crackpot ? Fake ?
This isn’t mainstream anywhere why ?
I had been completely reassured by the narrative 75% safe from hospitalisation after only one Az jab.
If this is true it’s a shocker.
There once was a nebulised drug,
They tried to sweep under the rug,
But all the trials it surpassed,
Even more than forecast,
And now Bojo is a little less smug,
Boom boom.
GLA.
Been out shopping, so a belated here goes !
During the 2nd World War two American soldiers were over in France assisting the French Underground Movement.
Every evening they would congregate with the French having a meal and drinks and all would recall their achievements for the day against the German forces.
The French would finish by singing La Marseillaise, the French National Anthem.
The Americans became embarrassed since they did not know the words to their American National Anthem.
So they decided to sing the following to the tune of "Hark, the Herald Angels sing"
Uncle Joe and Auntie Mabel
Fainted at the breakfast table.
Was n't it sufficient warning
Not to do it in the morning
But Ovaltine has set them right
Now they do it every night
And Uncle Joe is hoping soon
To do it in the afternoon
(Aunty Mabel will agree
It hits the spot at half-past three)
From a very Scottish Great Granny who could real off Burns but one of her finest -
‘A fart it is a grand thing it gees the belly ease,
It warams up the blankets and suffocates the fleas.’
How about this one?
“Never forget that anticipation is an important part of life. Work's important, family's important, but without excitement, you have nothing. You're cheating yourself if you refuse to enjoy what's coming.”
Nicholas Sparks, Three Weeks With My Brother.
"IF" – by Rudyard Kipling, wise bloke, must have been an investor too....
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream – and not make dreams your master;
If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for (Motley) fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings – nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And – which is more – you’ll be a Man, my son!
Lol Andy, it was either that or:
Today things are red, last month was blue, some isa's have taken a pounding, sold out pre-june.
The citrus trees ready for harvest.
Bottled in May,
like Limoncello.
End
Today is the tomorrow
You worried about yesterday.
And all is well.
Thanks BarryBrownPees raised the bar
Back to where we aspire to.
The Road Not taken, Robert Frost.
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim
Because it was grassy and wanted wear,
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I,
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
Roses are red
Violets are Blue
Mr Big sold out
Now he spouts poo
The early bird catches the worm, then married him, and now the worm has turned and she is surprised. Oh well that’s life.
Investowin - that made me chuckle.
At sunset - as we progress to gloaming,
Derampers like Graking are roaming
And Mr Big at the mouth is foaming
While Synairgen, on the stars, is homing
"When the truth dawns, silence emerges"
Graking, strange thing for a known liar to quote. How many of your posts have admin had to remove now?
@ Investowin
In London town the wheel rises and dips
It's time to have your scampi and chips
ATB
LTH's just waiting for the end game :-)
Nothing else to say. Looking forward to results !
LTH's just waiting for the end game :-)
Nothing else to say. Looking forward to results !