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isleworth i never ever thought i would say this in all the time i have been on here... i was your biggest critic and i am not militant in any shape or form. look at my previous posts ****ging you off... but i have to eat humble pie mate because you are spot on....
@ Anger.
In that case you should probably follow up with IMO.
IMO.
In case you didn't know, i am the union. And all my workmates. We decide whether or not to go on strike. Not the people who we pay, to speak on our behalf. They put forward proposals that RMG have or haven't made (in this case), and we decide.
I would not be comfortable holding any shares at this time. Having said that, if Thompson backtracks on his pathetic stance, then the share price will go up.
But he won't, and the price will drop further.
I wonder if after the first day of action, he will assess the amount of "those people" at work, you know the ones, and make a statement prior to the weekend.
@ Anger.
We agree on something.
But i don't remember the CWU saying anything like that.
@ DerekR.
The changes to t's &c's are to do with arrivals in mail centres and then delivery offices.
I haven't seen it mentioned about same day delivery, but later arrivals into our network to connect the following day.
RMG actually mean parcels, which is fine. Letters mean nothing. The arrival of letters make absolutely no difference to RMG's way of thinking. They have to pretend they care about the public, but i work in delivery, and the failure is shocking.
To support their green intentions, letters will arrive later, as will these LAT's that i've mentioned.
They are trying to force the later start times through, to satisfy OFCOM and the public, that your mail will be delivered the following day. Not in my office.
So it doesn't matter when your unmeasured mail gets delivered. The items that "matter" will get delivered by the localised hubs. But in the process, you'll have 100,000 posties on strike.
Pointless.
@ wolvesposty.
"""the other 3.5% is not achievable""".
Unless you live by the RMG code of: If you wear a white collar, you'll get your bonus regardless.
It's called flogging yourselves to death, only to be told that you've missed the set targets.
@ Anger.
If you read my post in context with Maximas's efforts, you'd understand.
If you think that the reason i'm striking is to affect shareholders, you really have no grasp of how we think.
I'll say it again. The pay rise is derisory. 400 million paid to shareholders plus more to come, through dividends and buybacks. Management paid bonuses for NOT achieving targets, including Thompson.
I'll tell you about the COM's pay rises, shall i?
38K last year.
43K this year after role was changed.
46K next year.
49K the following year.
I got that from a manager who has just left the company. And you wonder why i'm going on strike?
And RMG are employing more managers after paying VR to hundreds, thousands?
Yeah. I'm striking because i want to p**s of investors? I suppose my shareholding workmates are as well.
I think I understand the thought process around the hubs and LATs Isleworth. It is about trying to catch up with DPD and others by chasing their model. In itself there is nothing wrong with it but it won’t transform Royal Mails fortunes it will just mean they do what everyone else in the industry tries to do.
The real opportunity for RMG to lead the market is on same day and local to local fulfilment and delivery. They have a unique advantage in this space at the moment but it is in danger of being eroded rapidly and the longer they ignore it the more the current management are damaging the company.
As for all the sabre rattling about wanting a strike to break the Union. If I had a pound for every time that tosh was trotted out I would be a very wealthy man. Royal Mail is about people and it always will be. If they try to treat their people badly they will just go the way of every other management team who tried the same stunts.
red its not a mark in the sand because he tells you all its 5.5%... the other 3.5% is not achievable....and yes you too have a good evening and enjoy the weather :)
@ Anger.
What do you think would've happened if the CWU had asked for 4.5%?
Rejected!!
Why didn't the RMG negotiators offer "something" in line with inflation?
Because the poxy percentage they forced on us, was already set in stone.
Thompson and his advisors, probably thought that dropping that money into our wages and paying us the backdated amount, would appease everyone.
WRONG!!!!
You do not understand the total disgust every single postie in my office has for him. And that includes the shareholders.
Wolves the 2% was to make a mark in the sand. Never intended to be fixed.
Make good decisions and don't bury your heads in the same sand.
Have a pleasant evening.
@ Maximas.
Are you suggesting that the CWU shouldn't request further pay rises?
The majority of the recent ones have been multi-year agreements. I would still be on £80 a week if my union didn't negotiate pay rises.
At least your stall has been set out. Anti CWU, anti striker, in fact anti everything if it affects your investment. I get it.
But i am just the kind of person to affect your investment. And i'm not alone.
red agreed but to go ahead and impose a paltry 2% was insulting
maximus.... look economics say if you do not keep in pace with inflation then you are taking a pay cut..... we all want to keep a decent standard of living do we not? now lets look at royal mail price rises over the past 12months.... 1st class stamp up @ 15% parcels up @ the same....if royal mail had to keep prices as they were then its a different story. like i have said before they need to make a profit to survive. but we need to survive to be able to work and deliver those profits..
Wolves If the CWU intended a figure of x% the phrase in line would not have been used it was used because it would have been fixed before signing but not at 4-5%
@ Anger.
""""The business is playing hardball, they always do…..it’s up to the reps to put forward viable options to the business in the interests of the workers. Making one suggestion (which wasn’t even a figure) is pretty poor union representation in my opinion."""
And turning it down is great management, right?
Heigh Ho
Heigh Ho
it's off to strike we go
A deal would have been agreed.
It would yes,then a year down the line your back at the table for more…i sugest this is not about here and now…more about the future of the company…management want you to strike…they may then split the company promoting it’s the workforces fault….crush the union at the same time and there happy…then the company won’t have to put up with an inept union again.
"for a CEO he f****d up big time "
Wolves, I don't think he has. At least not big time. This guy has form. Checkout previous employment history. He was responsible for massive changes in Europe "know your enemy"
@ Redceo.
If RMG had agreed to an in line with inflation rise, a percentage would have been set. I have never seen a projected inflation request. So, i think you're posting nonsense.
The management aren't that stupid!
Oh! Hang on a minute.
They didn't agree, CPI is 9% and the real workers are about to go on strike. And the company is about to lose a lot of money.
Maybe, just maybe, they are.
red in february inflation was @ 5-6% it was predicted by economists to rise a lot higher which it has.... a deal back then would have been agreed and couldn't be reneged on. the workforce would have accepted it even though inflation gone up....every year since i been there we have had below inflation increases.... the proposed 35hr week was suspended because costs were not met to which i fully supported then.
Had you agreed back then and inflation is already far higher the CWU would be backing out of the deal. Remember they were asking not for a % but in line with inflation. That could easily have been upped to in line with projected inflation.
If I were a worker faced with an intransigent management at this time. I would negotiate the best % salary increase I could.
If I could not get agreement on conditions. I would sign up for the best that could be agreed. Then everything commences under the new regimes. Providing the workforce are complying with what was agreed there are two scenarios :-
1. Alls well no problem.
2. The systems are not thought through correctly and despite due diligence by the workforce there are problems.
If that's the case back to the drawing board and take on board workforce suggestions
@ Maximas.
And quickly followed by nonsense.
At least post why you think RMG have "secret plans" for us mere mortals in blue shirts, and what you think they may be.
What is so good about this strategy?
@ Maximas.
Finally. A post that i can agree with. Parts anyway.
I've said that Thompson wants us to strike. What the overall picture is, we can only speculate.
Changing working hours to facilitate might not be obvious right now..but it maybe shortly…plans the work force don’t no about will be made clear once conditions are in place…another good management strategy:-)
Maybe the company are playing a very good game…they want you to strike….then all the cards fall into place..:-)
isle i totally agree. had royal mail offered say 4-5% back in february when they refused to talk or acknowledge us then we wouldnt be talking about this on here... but no... now inflation has upped to 9% then we not going to accept 4-5% happily. for a CEO he f****d up big time .