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leave c.brown alone. it's an irrelevant conversation. we want to extract lithium for batteries. in this respect i don't care who pays for the electricity, as long as the lithium was paid for.
now get this ******* sp moving!
Your not that bothered then, you like to moan but that's as far as it bothers you. Theft is only theft when a complaint has been made, an investigation carried out which culminates in a prosecution otherwise its just an assumption of guilt. The ones in charge with the fat salaries within both the NHS and civil service are still held accountable when formal complaints are made. The investigations process is held independently of the NHS Trust or council and if it is found that a law has been broken the report is passed over to the police to decide if formal action is to be taken.
I haven't reported any for theft but I have made my opinion known. Not easy when the chief offenders are the ones in charge with the fat salaries.
Chasbrown - How many have you reported for theft?
You make a good point about the entitlement Chas.
Shut up about batteries, that's the sole reason we're here! Cleantech are still up 21% and we're down 5%, again.
Regarding the use of electric cars, it's the people that own them that I have the issue with. I work for the ambulance service and we had until recently 2 Mitsubishi petrol electric hybrids. They were used as single manned rapid response vehicles. Whenever they were out on a call the battery wouldn't last very long, perhaps down to all the lights and sirens. And when they were out on a shout you could guarantee that the staff in the ambulance station would put their own cars on the charging point, therefore getting a free top up from the taxpayer. When I tried to point out that it was theft and no different to me filing my car from the diesel tank on site they would get all up tight and really nasty. The sense of entitlement of these smug people really gets my goat. I appreciate that not all eV drivers are like this, perhaps it's just rife in the public sector. But to me it's theft and I bet this is widespread in this country.
Very valid argument there MrTriumph. I do believe though that the battery technology is moving on at some pace. I read somewhere last week that by the end of 2025 that your average EV will be able to do an average of just over 900 miles. With that being only a couple of years away, it makes you wonder what on earth is the point of buying one now because they will be worthless if that is the case.
Canary,
"It's interesting that the people who seem to hate electric cars are the ones who do not own them".
You are missing the point, the people do not not "hate" EV's, what people such as I and many millions hate is being dictated to by idiots who run the Country and suddenly come up with idiotic plans like stopping the sale of petrol and diesel cars by a date dreamt up by them with no thought as how this might happen or if indeed it can happen. It obviously will not happen, it is just politicians making statements with no thought behind them.
There is nothing wrong with a pterol car in fact with the huge reductions in emmissions over the past 10 years they are greener than an EV, a diesel is another matter, I have never been a diesel fan and predicted back in 2010 that there would be a problem following yet again an idiotic government intervention with promoting diesel vehicles, look how that went?
I tend to live and let live, there is room for all types of vehicles and people should be free to choose especialy as the one promoted by the experts and government idiots is not currently fit for purpose.
EV's will not replace petrol or in fact diesel for many decades if ever, just think about it? Lorries who do hundreds of miles daily, coaches, again the same, motorists who regulary travel 60K to 100K miles p.a? how on earth can you currently replace all of this with battery technologhy? that is without taking into account the sheer cost of buying or leasing the things in the first place.
The EV lovers are usually quite rich so can afford a Tesla etc? and also own another car!!! because they can afford this also.
Mr T
Sounds great, ASI! Your name wouldn't be Tom Good?
https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/the_good_life/cast_crew/
If Toyota are right on those solid state batteries then the range issue will become less but I agree that the rest of the infrastructure just isn't there yet and they're way too expensive... but, it will come!
The problem I have with electric vehicles is the cost, repairs and range anxiety. Having a vehicle with a range of 250 miles isn't very useful when I have responsibilities that take me 400 miles away from my home every weekend which equates to a 800 mile round trip. It doesn't help when the nearest mechanic that is qualified to fix an EV is 90 miles from my home or that the cost to buy a vehicle is £15,000 more than its ICE equivalent or that although I live in the largest rural county in England there are only 41 charging points in the whole county. If they were to lower the cost of a vehicle, produce better batteries to extend the range, train more mechanics so there is one local rather than one located in another county and install as many charging points as there are vehicles (currently 99.8% of all charging points in the UK are located in the London area) then I would have no problem whatsoever. I'm all for renewables, especially as I live a self sufficient lifestyle, grow 85% of the food we eat, produce 100% of our own power, have a private spring fed water supply and even have our own sewage treatment plant. An EV would complete the mix.
It's interesting that the people who seem to hate electric cars are the ones who do not own them. Everybody I know who has an eclectic car loves it and would never move back, especially those who bought Teslas. You may like it or you may hate it but electric cars are the future. There were many people in the early 20th Century who said that ICE cars would never replace horses. There seem to be a few of their decedents on this board.
They'll soon be back!
Is everyone selling and moving to Cleantech?
Porsche EV is an oxymoron lol.
Boohoomoon - Maybe we could compare costs of your heating system to mine. I have a ground source heat pump and a 90kw solar array. I produced 330,000kwh of electricity last year and used 8600kwh feeding the rest bac k into the National Grid and was paid 8p per kwh for half the year and 16p per kwh for the rest of the yeazr. Offset that against my ICE vehicle and that means I had both free transportation and free household electricity
Boohoomoon - What supercar performance do you get in a country that has a national speed limit of 70mph? Of course you can compare them. There are different types of EV's as there are ICE vehicles and they are comparable. My old civic has a range of 370 miles per tank and my SUV has a range of 530 miles per tank therefore you can compare range per charge. You can compare price like for like to size of vehicle. There are many ways you can compare a vehicle but you don't because EV's on average cost 30% more and lose value quicker.
Short lived back to +7.69
+9.03 come on Clon
…today. Could do with a few blue days compounding on each other. When news then hits we will all make a tidy sum. Until then the pessimism, optimism and realism will all come out on this chat BB. But one thing we do know is that we are in for an exciting ride.
Yes, someone I know spent 120K on a Porsche EV, after 12 months it is worth. er, £53K, the person is therefore in debt by £27K on their finance arrangement as he owes £53 plus £27K!!!!
They desperately want to get rid, but can't!!!
Mr T
You can't compare them.
Everyone seeems to try and compare them like for like. The best comparison you can do against 1998 Honda is a Supercar of that era because for me to get the same performace you have to spend like North of £100k or equivalent. My off peak energy rate is 8.5p and then i get free charging with my day time solar boosting my Tesla lithium power wall.
Https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/1020830/cleantech-lithium-upgrades-laguna-verde-resource-ahead-of-pre-feasibility-1020830.html
Presumably Cleantech will be using the Clon JV ITDE technology?
£11.20 to do 250 miles should read £31.20
Boo I've had a Honda civic 1.5 auto for 10 years (Sept 2013) which I bought 2nd hand for £750. Original registration was 1998. I have spent £1100 on repairs and servicing over that period and its never failed an MOT. VED is currently around £175 per annum and insurance £164 per annum. I don't take much notice of how much petrol costs but did a quick calculation just for you and it works out at £11.20 to do 250 miles. Are you willing to do a true comparison and give a full costing rather than just how much it costs to charge your car at home? EV's are great but they aren't cheap and they have a long way to go until they're a car for the masses.