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Same here I'd top up but based on what. Jim was great when selling his book and anic got a bit of traction then....but after that he set up his share and money printing machine and plugged it into anic and drained the life out of it..
Would like to share your optimism, but based on what? Holding since 2021 and have only seen a continuous decline without any proactive engagement with sh or market in general.
Regardless I've just topped up at this imo ridiculously low sp.
Does not seem to have an impact on ANIC though. No news, no progress and a newsletter as an RNS..
Hopeless really
Https://scitechdaily.com/breakthrough-could-reduce-cultivated-meat-production-costs-by-up-to-90/
Yes this exactly. It needs to be looked at again. This and his new agrarian he started up. It's not in our interests and it's now a bit of a pee take. Maybe he can explain in a Q&A...
Afternoon,dominicus. only just seen your post as i'm not currently invested here and don't follow the board on a daily basis.my reference to institutional investors was simply in response to an earlier post referencing the perceived need for further investment in anic.i did think it actually referred to institutional investors,but i can't find the post in question now, so perhaps it was simply my interpretation.anyway,my point was simply that,imo,institutions might well find the shellbay aspect off-putting. as you say, there is a certain level of opacity which makes it difficult to assess and as I've mentioned before the New Agrarian aspect is also a tad unclear.do the private investors benefit from shellbay's advice etc, for which the public investors in anic pay the fees? im not suggesting that is the case, as i simply do not know, but it is an aspect which might concern potential investors. as i say im not currently invested (i have been in the past) and i hope it works out for those who are.
Hi,
Generally this is done after the purchase is complete
@The.Italian what do you mean by "IIs"?
The Shellbay issue is well known. Actually this blog post did two through analysis. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the fee structure and think there should be at least some more details released in terms of what exactly was charged within a certain period of time. To say, "well this is what you buy into" would be too easy, since the fee structure got a major update in 2021. This update made the High Water Mark Model independent from the actual share price.
the author has two posts.
https://theoakbloke.substack.com/p/a-nicking-from-private-investors
BMB5DJO TBH --- I haven't read up it again. So not sure anymore what exactly is the case.
Problem for potential IIs who might otherwise be interested is,imo,the shellbay aspect.they may well feel that it is a mechanism for extracting value from the company in a way that is not exactly beneficial for the shareholders.
Ah ok, I figured the RNS would come the day after the trades. Hadn’t appreciated it was a pre-trade announcement. Thanks for clarifying
@BMB5DJO
From what I understand, their should be an RNS and direction approval before they execute. Isn't it?
Lots of large trades today. Could this be the start of the buy back??
Sometimes wonder if we should go all in helping a couple of the fermentation companies get to full production and PR. Think we could do with a Q@A session with the man where they don't cherry pick the questions. This can still be a major stock to hold but needs new investors.
Definitely not panic stations yet for Anic
I read in the FT that we are facing a massive shortage of chocolate as inventories are used up and supply cannot be easily increased in nature. One problem like this that ANIC companies can solve and we are off to the races.
Here is another opinion piece in the New York Times about the state of the cultivated-meat sector:
The Revolution That Died on Its Way to Dinner
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/09/opinion/eat-just-upside-foods-cultivated-meat.html
To summarize the view presented in the article: the outlook is dire and most, if not all, companies will fail.
If we hypothetically assume that all of ANIC's investments in cell-culture companies have zero value, we will have a new NAV of 16.48*(1-0.32)=11.3p. Surprisingly, this still leaves the company trading at a discount!
I noted that the slide in the company presentation showing investments in the sector year-by-year has now been removed, likely because funding has now dried up.
I am holding on to my 500 000 shares, still hoping for a positive outcome. The precision-fermentation sectors seem to be in much better shape, with potential to scale, and there is always the possibility of unexpected advances in cellular agriculture.
Full marks for the regular RNS's, they are certainly trying, even if it is the same old stuff!
Thanks for sharing, RWT2. Upside Foods, and likely the cultivated meat industry at large, are unfortunately having problems. Here are two recent articles describing the problems:
December 14, 2023. Bloomberg: The Biggest Problem With Lab-Grown Chicken Is Growing the Chicken
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-12-14/upside-foods-struggles-with-lab-grown-chicken-despite-600-million
September 15, 2023: Wired. Insiders Reveal Major Problems at Lab-Grown-Meat Startup Upside Foods
https://www.wired.com/story/upside-foods-lab-grown-chicken/
Upside Food is apparently only selling a pound of chicken a month.
Given this, it makes sense that ANIC has shifted towards precision fermentation. This is different from both a production and regulatory standpoint, and the precision fermentation sector can succeed even if cultivated meat companies suffer setbacks.
Anic aren't invested here but upside have been front runners for a while. Article below may well demonstrate sensible business but probably not a good sign for the industry
https://www.wired.com/story/upside-foods-glenview-illinois-factory-lab-grown-meat/
Thanks for putting this together, Agricore. Just to note that Good Dog Food was rebranded as Meatly towards the end of last year - hoping to hear more about them in the near future as the expectation was for their products to be on sale early this year.
Https://theoakbloke.substack.com/p/anic-ye-results-2023-tasty-times
Bill Gates is now a foodtech investor. On his blog, he describes two companies producing alternative fats that he has invested in. The first, Savor, seems to produce animal fats through a process that is neither cellular agriculture nor precision fermentation. The second, C16, produces a palm-fat alternative using precision fermentation. You can read more here:
https://www.gatesnotes.com/Alternative-fats-and-oils
Perhaps ANIC should also look into Savor, to broaden the portfolio with a new production technology?
I agree about Jim's money printing machine. I've emailed and will ask the question's repeatedly to them.
"Why are you taking so much out when your investors are mostly underwater"
"Where's the buyback you mentioned?"
I just hope these future investor chats will help us understand where all these companies we own a part of are at.
It only takes one or two to gain traction in publics eye to move this industry on..