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Hello rob. I hope you don't mind, but I would strongly dissagree with your comment "unfortunately for as long as this keeps dropping they are winning" They are not winning, any more than a monkey throwing his poo at you, or a dissruptive school child is winning. They are both losers. And I think most on here, would rather be losing there money, than be like jax or gutter.
SilverSpoons, I agree with your comments. I would add that during the last 2 years inflation alone has reduced by 15% the real value of Vodafone debt, making it much more sustainable in the long run, particularly if interest rates go down.
However, I am afraid that the share price will not recover significantly without some commitment from the main shareholders. My feeling is that they are occasionally shorting the stock.
Hi FLeccy
RE: Jax and Gutter just put out meaningless one liners aimed at upsetting people who are sitting on large paper losses
Of course they are mate, they are just trying to wind everyone up for a laugh, but surely nobody takes them serious, i know i don't, but it's got to the point here that only seeing is believing here for me
unfortunately for as long as this keeps dropping they are winning, so we will just have to take it on the chin, let's hope it can change direction, this share and Lloyds are definitely not ones for the impatient, and let's hope they will eventually be worth the wait, I have to be honest this has not been one of my easiest investments that's for sure
best of luck, we all need it
Cashflow easily covers debt interest. Chance of a small dividend cut, sure, but given the size of the cashflow no chance of any liquidity issues. Growth may not be spectacular, but has anyone looked out of the window lately, the UK and Eu have both been hit hard so you would hardly expect to see the sort of growth figures seen 10 years ago. Yes they may have overspent in the past, but the share price has dropped far further than the fundamentals justify. Fully expect this to be back up above 90p within 2 years, and 100p with 3, by which point the economy will have improved and shares will be back in popularity
Jax and Gutter just put out meaningless one liners aimed at upsetting people who are sitting on large paper losses. I'm among the people sitting on such paper losses and I could cry about it and put out doom and gloom, but instead of complaining I choose to top up, where I consider my stocks to be cheap, as funds become available. I could invest in other stocks, but I don't see any other stocks as cheap as the ones I already have holdings in. If someone has valid arguments as to why stocks are cheap, I'll happily debate it.
UK stocks are getting punished big time and they're cheap by historic standards, there's no reason to believe that'll always be the case.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/british-investors-dump-local-stocks-buy-american-calastone-2024-02-07/
Mole. If vod buy back shares at 63.6p & the share price goes up to £1, how does that not work? If however the sp goes down then it does'nt work, that is all I am saying, not rocket science is it? The big question is, are vod shares underpriced? As the Beatles might say, you say high & I say low!
We should have all realized by now that when Nick was blown out the last thing an organization like Vod should do was fill his role with someone with +25 years innocuous service to a strategy that is on a road to no where.
400p from Feb2001to 64p today reflects mismanagement not just by Nick or MDV but by an organizations strategy to overspend on aquisitions worldwide on a deluded view that size counts .
Vod [an inefficient bureaucracy] we all know is fighting for it's life. I regret don't have the solution.
I despair.
Buy backs tend to help maintain divi's
Buybacks don't work if you are not using gennuinely excess capital to do them with. Same with divs.
VOD are not redistributing excess capital. That is the bit the city does not like.
Buy backs work if you are buying back shares on the cheap. Are vod shares cheap? Worth more than the share price. I reacon the vod b.o.d. think so.
Would MDV take a Musk pay packet I wonder?
ZERO pay or perks, but 5% of the company if it reaches a market cap of 250bn by 2030? That would be £9.25 a share!
This is the deal that got cancelled in Delaware. No pay while you 10X the company cap. Zero if you only 9.99X the cap
Would she b6ll0ks
Buglet11, I have to agree with you on one thing, it's not jax and gutter that annoy me, it's the ones that pretend they don't mind if the share price drops so they can keep adding more, this is not a share that goes up and down in a range each year, it's kept on dropping for years, and nobody knows if it will go back up or by how much
like it or not jax and gutter are the ones getting it right at the moment and unless that changes we will just have to suck it up
I can’t help feeling the size and complexity of the company is too much for her.
This is grim. If Margherita is serious about turning this around then she should be buying more shares in an effort to improve market sentiment. In fact all directors should be buying now in solidarity with shareholders who are getting hammered here. The recent dividend payment has already been eroded by the relentless SP drop to the extent that it almost seems pointless.
Seems that the truth hurts. Just imagine, over 11,000 posts from Fleccy, how does he find the time? And yet with all that skill and knowledge, he invests in Vod, Bt and Lloyds. Says it all.
That's funny fleccy, thanks for that. I'd not have found it myself.
I is tri ing to get a fealing abowt what will hapen Thursday but it ain't comming at the moment.
Altho I is expecting a market corection so noing Vodafone it mite well go up a bit .
A contrary move if you gets me...
"Sorry to being the bearer of bad news, but i couldn’t care less about you."
Clearly you do so I recommend you add me to your Filter list, as I'll be adding you to mine straight after I press the Post Message button for this post.
Sorry to being the bearer of bad news, but i couldn’t care less about you. I am as interested in you as you are interested in me. So, please, tone down your over inflated ego, and arrogant self importance. You are not some kind of guru, you are a loser like most of us in this share.
Fleecy is full of shid 🤣
"No, it doesn’t, it irritates me when you keep claiming your dividend reinvestment strategy is working, when it clearly isn’t."
Like I said in a previous thread, It's the destination that counts, not the journey. You should worry about your own investments instead of worrying what I might be doing with mine, although it does make me feel warm inside knowing that someone is thinking about me. As far as Jax is concerned, he adds nothing by posting negative one liners with no analysis; At least I put some effort into my posts, even if you don't agree with my point of view.
No, it doesn’t, it irritates me when you keep claiming your dividend reinvestment strategy is working, when it clearly isn’t. Still, you wont change of course. But when you accuse the tediously repetitive Jax of being out of order, when he simply takes the opposite standpoint to you, I feel you should be brought to order.
Finally when you keep telling us how well off you are, and how the constantly falling share doesn’t affect you, I am more than a tad miffed. The rest of us ARE hurting, so please less of the “I’m alright Jax”
Buglet, does it upset you that I don't fret when the price drops?
I hasn't got any fealing abowt tomorow tho, me vision is blur from hospittal visit just know.
Layed downe the GSXR agane to protecke sum schol kids from a runaway Ford fiesta.
At under 64p.
will look to top up further on any more significant falls