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another contract - secures £2.6m contract extension
stt1 tries to argue that NHS 111 is a non-emergency service.
So if you know you have an emergency on your hands then NHS 111 is not worth anything.
Just phone 999.
But how can you tell what is an emergency?
The fact is that the general public have no idea and would be better served by avoiding NHS 111.
Therefore NHS 111 is not a first port of call if you need advice.
https://twitter.com/surprised_trade/status/1488443185684791296
as slow moving currently as hospital waiting lists, however, with new contracts in place and funding with political drive to drastically reduce patient lists #TLY perfectly placed to add value with a broker upside target of 60p+
stt1 - please try to keep a civil tongue in your head.
The general public are being misled and do not know what exactly is an emergency, how could they.
They are being led to believe NHS 111 should be a first port of call.
A safe place for advice.
NHS 111 do not have a clue and give out misleading advice - in my experience.
If this advice is followed then it may lead to patient death.
They do not even have the sense to say that the emergency services should be called if in doubt.
That alone should speak volumes.
You say that urgent and emergency are two different things.
Who is to decide that is the case?
Probably not NHS 111.
Then you mention 'life-threatening' cases, again who is to decide?
People are dying because NHS 111 are mis-diagnosing serious health conditions and yet you play with words.
This is utterly appalling and you should not try to make me feel embarrassed for saying so.
I am not in the least embarrassed for calling out NHS 111 as being unfit for purpose - in my experience.
Tricky,
"stt1 said (1'st Nov 2021): "NHS 111 can help if you need URGENT medical help
Now he changes tack and says NHS 111 are a non-EMERGENCY service."
No change in tack, it's your lack of understanding.
Let me explain it in simple terms even a simple member of the public like yourself might understand.
I've deliberately highlighted the important words to help you.
A&E - stands for Accident and, um, EMERGENCY. Likewise 999.
UCC - stands for URGENT care centre. Likewise 111.
Now EMERGENCY and URGENT are 2 different things. The sentences you copied/pasted mention URGENT and NON-EMERGENCY, so I'm consistent and no change of tack.
You seem to have a problem understanding they are 2 different conditions.
NHS 111 & UCC/walk in centres are for non-EMERGENCY or Urgent care when your GP is not available.
999 or A&E are for life threatening conditions.
When to call 111:
"NHS 111 can help if you have an urgent medical problem and you’re not sure what to do."
When to call 999:
"Call 999 in a medical or mental health emergency. "
https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/urgent-and-emergency-care-services/when-to-call-999/
So what would you suggest as an alternative to NHS 111 for those patients who can't see their GP, have an URGENT need but it's not an EMERGENCY????
I repeat, do some research as it'll save yourself from repeatedly embarrassing yourself. lol
;-)
Just to clarify NHS 111 have a script and if this is not met a a GP will ring you back ( Time unknown )
999 calls are emencency ; you are in danger ( Health ; accident ; fire ) in other word immediate help.
The public do get confused regarding the above
This will never change
stt1 said (1'st Nov 2021):
"If you're not sure what to do
NHS 111 can help if you need urgent medical help or you're not sure what to do.
They will ask questions about your symptoms so you get the help you need."
Now he says changes tack and says NHS 111 are a non-emergency service.
And then goes on to say I should do some proper research to stop embarrassing myself.
I accept that sepsis is difficult to diagnose but NHS 111 dismissed the situation as general fatigue, nothing serious, did not think an out of hours G.P. was appropriate, whereas NHS 999 at least asked for clarification about breathing, blood loss and consciousness and took the matter very seriously.
And as for a patient managing to see their own G.P. in an emergency situation - what planet is stt1 on?
Tricky,
"NHS 111 were not asking vital questions, they treated her illness as trivial."
It's a non-emergency service.
Here's another example where the person phoned 999, as you suggest.
Even though the patient describe her symptoms as 'profuse sweating, tiredness etc', the emergency 999 service didn't have the relevant protocol card to diagnose sepsis, so they would not have helped you as well!!.
Even her GP diagnosed Gastro problems.
It was an out of hours doctor who diagnosed sepsis.
"Ambulance service emergency call handlers have more than 30 protocol cards for dealing with different illnesses - but not for sepsis."
"After seeing her GP, she was diagnosed with gastroenteritis, which is associated with diarrhoea and vomiting."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46827297
Btw, Out of hours doctors service are provided by Out of hospital providers like TLY!!!!
Own goal, I think. lol
;-)
Can I suggest you do some proper research. It'll save repeatedly embarrassing yourself.
Tricky.
There you go, I asked what's your solution and you didn't have an answer to the simple question. You obviously are clueless about the NHS and how they work.
Here's an article only 2 months ago regarding 2 patients who went to A&E in emergency. Sadly they both died with sepsis because of wrong diagnosis by A&E dept!!
Should A&E dept be banned in hospitals??? Perhaps you could answer this simple question!!!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-deaths-dudley-fined-prosecution-b1960939.html
Absolutely clueless.
;-)
SURPRIZED..re-.winter patient volumnes are supported by increased nhs funding ! Funding is simply not the answer in its own right,the gov thinks any problem with anything just throw money at it is the answer ,any idea how much money the government has thrown at the NHS these last twelve months ? on three seperate occasions BILLIONS
Trickys interpretation of events have little basis in reality. What counts is the audio recording of the call and if the regulators find that the 111 staff acted appropriately and according to the advice given by NHS provided systems.
https://twitter.com/surprised_trade/status/1483391110558924800
.in place to support clearing of waiting lists for NHS backlog..'' if winter patient volumes are supported by increased NHS funding we believe our estimates could see risk to the upside. Maintain BUY and 60p target price''
Your point Tricky is where do you live , as this may not be a NHS 111 call by Totally contract.
The other point have you research the satisfaction for NHS 111 in your area or as a whole ( you will be surprised at the positive results )
Do agree that everyone has different experiences positive or negative , Covid has not helped but in some was has and that will explain.
If you go to A&E you are vetted now and turned away or directed to another department , A&E also are now seperated to A&E children or adults as experienced by by daughter attending ( Backflip on trampoline incident = was ok worried about neck injury )
The point is Totally are regulated and have achieved above high ratings compared to others , lets hope the other private companies can be taken over and regulated as these are not shown by markets to question why poor service.
From stt1:
'Whatever you suggest makes no difference to TLY as they are well placed to adapt to any changes as their diversified business model has shown over the past 2 years.'
A very worrying commentary from stt1 and his cohorts who believe that TLY are functioning properly, adapting well and firing on all cylinders.
Thordon believes - his opinion - that NHS 111 vhave not experienced a bad call - his words.
I have related my experience and people here have dismissed it on various grounds.
So, what went wrong when my neighbour's wife was dying after suffering from suspected covid for a week and NHS 111 spoke with her and just said 'call back in three days time - it sounds like fatigue.
The lady died less than a day later.
It was perhaps my mistake because I did not say 'could it be sepsis'.
I have said that NHS 999 are no better but at least they asked life-saving questions:
'Is she conscious'
'Is she breathing'
'Has she lost more than two cup fulls of blood'.
NHS 111 were not asking vital questions, they treated her illness as trivial.
pointless stt1 as no what you will have a left wing answer without a alternative solution.
Tricky
"In actual fact NHS 111 are not the answer"
And what should those millions of people using NHS111/Urgent Walk in centres do, go to and block A&E/GP and increase waiting times there?
The NHS needs a way to stop unnecessary visits to A&E for non-emergency problems, resulting in those who need the care, dying.
These non-emergency calls could go to their GP except there's a lack of appointments there as well.
If not NHS 111, what's your solution then?
Whatever you suggest makes no difference to TLY as they are well placed to adapt to any changes as their diversified business model has shown over the past 2 years.
;-)
Besides, the company is functioning just fine.
Tricky if you want to ban NHS 111 then go to your MP , my opinion is that have not experience a bad call in fact last year my wife was ill and on the call decided needed a ambulance to assess , when they arrived was taken straight to hospital.
My wife was well looked after and released at hospital the following days.
I support air ambulance and pay a monthly payment , as without this they would not be able to run.
Totally provide over 2k of employees and are high on good service reports from NHS.
There you go again talking about money when the company is totally incapable of functioning when people are desperately seeking advice.
stt1 said (1'st Nov 2021):
"If you're not sure what to do
NHS 111 can help if you need urgent medical help or you're not sure what to do.
They will ask questions about your symptoms so you get the help you need."
In actual fact NHS 111 are not the answer and are more likely to bad decisions when people's lives are at stake.
Why do we need an outfit that is a total cop-out?
Additionally, there is 0 relationship between the current price and the price in 2012 and yet there are perfect reactions to this trend since summer last year. The bonus is that it's still cheap with p/fcf under 10 and 1/3 of the market cap in cash.
It's time to buy in my opinion. I'm not a trader but look at this technical setup that looks all set to break out and has been testing it hard lately. I believe it will happen this month that we'll see a real break out.
https://www.tradingview.com/x/2OoFCFI9/