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Andree, you can blab on and misrepresent all you like, every time you post here, people see what you are trying to do. It's that simple. Flame away.
Andrey your price is too high. Do you want my shares for 20p each
you write: scould come clean and offer a realistic price, then you may get some custom
i think everybody can see that your and others nonsense comes only from the desire to find some idiot who will bail you out of this "amazing" stock at a price which is higher than you have paid. this is why you all keep posting this unbelievable **** about na assets, me, sanctions lifted tomorrow, etc. sorry, but i am not that idiot! i buy at justified prices at justified terms, no one offers more, cause may be even the price i pay is too high already.
Andree.
So you deny that you continue to bash the stock, post untruths, make references to failing non similar companies and try to push connections with Evraz, and then try to worry people into selling their stock at penny prices. Maybe you scould come clean and offer a realistic price, then you may get some custom.
I'll keep my shares, (I have posted my holding occasionally) and though it will take time, russ1a will find it imperrative to rejoin the world of trade, she will not burn all her bridges back, or risk the many $Billions of offshore holdings she has becoming worthless. These are my views and others should know that nobody has a crystal ball, but I do not paint unreal negative stories like you do, to self benefit.
I will leave it to others to decide who is really the "pathetic" because unlike some, do not wish to make money from others misfortune.
Jotom750 stop talking - buy shares! oh! you won't? why? cause you don't believe a word you say. That is pathetic.
Evraz. Thanks for the instructive post. I'd say (as would most probably) that Andrey's focus is always to devalue the company in any way possible, his reasons are obvious. His story if they made $5 Billion profit in a year would be,
"thet's really bad news as it will cost so much to keep that money safe!"
One cannot win with Andrey as making money from fear is all he tries to do.
Andrey,
First of all you compare complete different assets. The reason that NMLK is only 320M$ of asset value, is due to the fact that its a processing facility only. The profit were generated by an intragroup approach. Majority of steel was at low price imported from NLMK Russia to USA and in the USA finalised only.
This engine is now broken due to the fact that there are sanctions for import to usa from Russia. What do you think why NLMK consider now to sell it?
Evraz NA is a full end 2 end production facility with assets worth above 2.1B $. Electric ARC melting of scrap metal produce zero carbon steel. The investment in pueblo into a solar energy field and new long mill to produce metal for speed train tracks has a massive value created. Just 2 month ago US has announced 205B$ bill to invest 5 years into the build out of high speed train tracks across the USA. In addition the old engine has produced nice profit the past 3 years. The energy saving is 50M$ a year via the new solar plant and the new long mill will further grow the profits of Evraz NA. Evraz NA has no dependency to Russia for any material.
NMLK US is broken now due to sanction and no surprise they do a firesale that quick…
NMLK US is a external (Russia) dependent engine. Evraz NA is a full end 2 end stand alone company which operates on its own.
NLMK NA Ebitda 2021 one billion usd according to Kommersant news article of today, Evraz NA same year ebitda 321 mln - 3 times less so my zero value estimate seems better for Evraz NA valuation.
Evraz NA results year by year:
2014 last good year made 100-150 mln free cash flow
2015 minus 100-150 mln cash loss, survived because helped by the Russian assets
2016 minus 200 mln cash loss, survived because helped by the Russian assets
2017 minus 100 mln cash loss, survived because helped by the Russian assets
2018 minus 150 mln cash loss, survived because helped by the Russian assets
2019 minus 100 mln cash loss, survived because helped by the Russian assets
2020 minus 150 mln cash loss, survived because helped by the Russian assets
2021 50 mln cash PLUS! Makes some money
2022 200 mln cash PLUS! Makes some money
Thanks just found it under investing .com and bloomberg.. The FT still says doesnt exist.
NLMK assets (building, land and machinery) are only 320m$ worth based on last financial report.
Evraz NA assets (buikding, land and machinery) is 1.8B$ worth. On top there is another 800M inventory and receivables vs 500M bills to pay. Evraz NA on books alone has a value of 2.1B$
According to Bloomberg NLMK is planning to sell its NA division for 500 mln usd. The article I have in Russia says those assets produced 700 000 steel and 2 mln tones of steel products and had 2021 revenue at 3.1 bln usd and ebitda of 1 bln usd. This and TMK very cheap NA asset sale is the reason why I value Evraz NA at zero more or less although I have no time or expertise to compare the assets owned by Evraz NA to NLMK's NA.
I can see it still. Where did you get this from?
LOOKS LIKE IT HAS DISAPPEARED FROM THE MCX LISTINGS
We don’t have a relisting date or price. Any numbers or dates would be pure speculation right now.
Anyone got an idea of relisting prices?
Not been following what's been going on here got 75k shares locked in.. any idea of relisting anytime soon anyone?
Think we can laugh a lot together.
Andrey,
Speaking to people going through things are valid evidence i share. Secondly i have a large holding as longterm holder.
I share facts what happen at the moment … you only speak about a future where so far none of your statements became reality.
Anyway; like your drive to acquire cheap shares. I hope we meet for a tea - think you are a
Lies lies lies.
Money isn’t lost in Evraz. It would be fair to say it is currently ‘stuck’.
Andrey you continually use wording that makes it sound like the situation is much worse than reality for your own benefit.
I don’t want to buy more shares at £1, even though I think they are worth it I don’t know how long my money would be tied up. This obviously doesn’t matter to you which is fine, but stop trying to justify your lies by saying you are buying at £1. Just because you are making an offer doesn’t make your lies any more truthful
Philip you keep thinking that you know more about Russian stock market/laws/accounts than me. It is very very very bold of you. I have helped a lot of people to recover money lost in Evraz and I do it the way I see fit cause it is MY money. If you really believe in what you say - place a bid. Buy shares. That is all. Little talk, place a bid. Buy out people at X pounds since it is 5X pounds worth as you say. Make "EASY" 500%. No? Why? Cause really it is less than 1 usd worth to you? Anyways, bye!
Sorry but at present I cant see shareholders having a great future.. These sanctions need to be removed immediately.
God knows when the next AGM is due . Even more worrying what the hell will they have to say?
Andrey,
I have to correct you. I know several peopel who has S/C accounts and they are allowed first of all to re-invest in some gov bonds the divi money.
Secondly i know several X5 holders which checked with IR and are in process to get their shares in ESO. Fact is, the process is simple and straight forward.
I never said that ESO is planned for Evraz but i am saying that your stories here have no ground anymore. Why you not just say you buy shares at X price and stop your stories which have to be proven so far not correct?
So Evraz certificate shareholders will have a great future - independent on options going forward.
Andrey making up lies again. Why am I not surprised?
Nobody said ESO will happen, no news has come in on this yet. All I was saying is that if ESO does happen, anyone with a share certificate (the people you are targeting with your lies) is likely to be able to become a direct shareholder in the ESO.
Funny how your line has now changed to somehow make it seem like your ESO shares will be worth more that anyone else’s. Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?
Nobody has a problem with your offer price, I haven’t seen anyone offering more. We do have a problem with your disgraceful tactics to scare people into selling. Give it a break and become an honest person, give it a try and you might find your life is more fulfilling rather than being a keyboard warrior on here all the time
Just so that there is no confusion later - I am not JOAO and I don't know this guy, so if you get scammed selling shares it is on you. I am not telling that he is a scammer by the way, just be careful.
I do not know how likely the outcomes are, but if you do not want to wait and take the risk i am a buyer in this market.
EU based, ex HFT, lots of compliance training so no cash. I only do bank transfers.
My bid is £ 1,00 at the moment. Feel free to add me on telegr. Same username.
Good luck