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You really need to read tonlie. Your pal LTI 10:34 yesterday...............
' That is as I/we understand it. That CyanConnode are embedded in all three electric meter manufacturers meters. '
DYOR.
Thanks for that B.B although I thought that I had covered it in my Fri 17:45 and 20:20.
Colour whatever gave you the idea that CC was embedded in all 3 smart meters; however who knows they may be on next bids. I don't know and I suspect you don't.
B.B I have no doubt that JC has arranged for all shapes and sizes to be made.
The key to all this is the desire for RF by Indore etc and could it influence further purchases by State/Private utilities. Costs are important and vary from system to system but how quickly it can be installed, how quickly it can be rolled out and what is the return is also very important. When you are brassic money talks.
LTI, JVVNL have CC RF underway with the 430,000 unit order but do we know the situation with AVVNL.
DYOR
Thanks BB. Glad it has been clarified to stop the daft notion that ' CyanConnode are embedded in all three electric meter manufacturers meters'. Although it was very obvious to most.
Good morning Bull.Bear,
Thank you for the additional information. It is appreciated.
LTI.
LTI
Omnimesh Modules
My understanding is that ‘embedded‘ means the module is inside the meter, (‘top hat’ means the module is externally attached to the meter).
And that
Modules are designed to fit in/on a specific meter, (although components in the Module are common).
Rocket science it is not. Genus are winning some real volume orders through EESL, none are, or I doubt will be, CC enabled with any quantity.
Hello CB and all,
In reply to your 11:13 post today, my " That is as I/we understand it. That CyanConnode are enabled in all three electric meter manufacturers meters," was in the first part of my 10:34 post today, which was in reply to tonyj's post at 09:10, which did not mention anything about " 3 million meters " as did your post's at 10:46 and 11:13 today.
Tonyj and myself were discussing that CyanConnode have told share-holders that the Omnimesh solution is embedded in the 3 Indian manufactures, Genus Power, Larsen and Toubro and HPL. Not about the potential 3 million meter tender, as you suggest.
I agree with tonyj's post at 17:03. Specifically about the meters being designed to accept Omnimesh as an " ....... internal add-on ...... " if required.
Genus, L&T and HPL, etc., provide non-RF meters as well as RF meters. They will not want to manufacture/have manufactured 2 designs/various designs of meter boxes. I would think it will be a pre-determined/designed standard size casing, that accepts the components that are required to do the job that each client wants. So not all meters for these particular 3 manufactures will have the Omnimesh solution in them. But I agree that there could/will be an aperture to accept one, when and if required.
The standardization is very cost effective.
When you manufacture a car, as an example, you have a standard chassis, which will have standard components fitted. If you want a higher specification new car, you chose a higher specification trim. But you don't necessarily have to change the chassis. There is not so much choice for a smart meter, but the principle is the same.
LTI.
The CC solution is specified, or not, when the meter manufacturer wins the contract. That is CC's chosen route to market. EESL were GPRS from day one, and nothing has changed. CC will be deployed in small bespoke arenas, well away from volume. They ramped up production to circa 30k units a month not too long ago. If they can sell on this basis, they may have a chance. Forget White Label or high volume, JC has conceded 500k pa is the business plan.
Hello Vas, Somebody might have further insight but I was thinking of it being similar to UK unless EESL stipulate a fixed capability.
Where we change the HAT in UK, if needed India would take the meter cover off and ADD the module. All of the meters would already be SMART capable just transmission difference. Of course CC would have to be able to cope with size as if I remember correctly it was a large plate.
Of course if EESL wanted CC RF automatically inside all meters that would be very interesting.
Indore etc seem happy with CC RF as first line comms and it's making them money, important.
DYOR
Evening Tony. So how would that work for example with say a 3 million snap tender from EESL . ESSL select say 8 different meter manucaturers to complete the order. They ask for GPRS only. Four manufacturers go for standard GPRS and produce this type of meter. The other four Go for CCs Omnimesh solution RF/GPRS.
Let's assume There is no CC tech required during manufacture process in any meter. So CC do not need to supply hardware . How are these dumb meters made CC omnimesh enabled? I don't understand how, if a meter is dumb it can be made. c enabled remotely. Anyone explain please. Cheers Vas
Hello Vas.. I read it slightly different. To me it is an internal add on. You remember earlier Indian Government said that it did not want externals like retrofit well I think that this is designed as an internal add on put in if needed.
DYOR
That's what CC say here
https://cyanconnode.com/cyanconnode-launches-cellular-metering-products/
I think you have it correct Vas. The idea of CC providing product in the millions, just incase the meter requires the Comms, is beyond belief. LTI will no doubt correct this, he appears to know more than most on this one.
Hi Pedro. You are ahead of me here.
But it does state that the " CNIC has been designed to be installed into a standard smart meter so that Utilities can optimise their AMI deployments by choosing the rig..." Sounds like each meter still needs a "part" so to allow it to be integrated.......so each meter manufacturer will be required to order so many units in advance to be fitted....am I misunderstanding something here....GL Vas.
Good morning, LTI, Tonyj.............Yes, very interesting indeed...............In my book, this could prove to be a significant PR boost on the world stage, for CC............hopefully, Anil will 'advise approprately,in due course' Meanwhile, and back to RNS(22.06.20)..........."the first shipment of 10000 Omnimesh RF Modules........has been delivered" .........RF Modules?? , won't that be enough to 'service' up to 2,000,000 (2m) Smart Meters?........and all paid for, UP FRONT.!! Good Luck, and 'Keep the Faith' P.