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banaman, agreed. Where were these people when the company looked rock bottom?
Cheeky boy. Just got to read between the lines !
These guys are fighting a losing battle with the LTH's.
All very interesting info. BAU.
banaman, it's become light entertainment now. Even BB is taking the **** :-)
Actually if you compare the hi speed broadband roll out to the electricity network upgrade you might find some comparisons as to what will happen.
Almost everyone wants high speed broadband and Openreach have responded. In 2000 the high speed initiative was started and its taken until 2018 to get to 95% of the population. Now consider that installing fibre optic cables in preexisting ducts and control cabinets is a significantly easier and cheaper process as well as the population being centred on major towns and cities and this has taken 18 years.
The charge network has many less users than broadband currently and must cater for charge points along the paths travelled by cars not at a fixed location with a known business model and payback. The grid investment will be exponentially bigger and the market unknown. Mobile and economic units will be able to enable change at a faster rate. Also with fibre networks, Openreach can pretty much control by pricing the data rate whereas the electricity network would have to cable and install transformers for the highest estimated use at the outset. That then could get really expensive.
Ha ha bumble. This forum has certainly lightened up since Friday and has made a cold winter weekend a bit more enjoyable.
Yes, Bsac is a basher, defined as somone
Continuously posting the same things.
Unsupported information just lots of it.
Nothing of any real interest to add.
Total garbage used to bring the SP down.
I suggest just ignoring him and stop responding to his posts. Great work with the reports. The future is looking very promising for the AFC green tech in multiple markets.
Might get vandalised though, lol
13th, that would probably be the ultimatemate system. Come wind, rain , shine or fog you'll get a reliable charge for the battery bank.
You could put a vertical turbine, but you'd still need a battery as a buffer, doesn't one of our partners deal with multisource inputs? Imagine car parks with shades made of solar panels feeding a battery that is also fed by fc, so you can park in the shade, and charge whatever the weather, that acreage then produces something.
I can’t see a wind turbine going up somewhere like Westfield!
As to any fuel cell charging a battery, yes, I guess this is so, but if you read the essays they often complain about fuel cell systems having so-called unique characteristics. This shows a fundamental ignorance of the subject. Siemens set up a fuel cell battery charger last year using an established PEM fuel cell. They are less efficient, more expensive need purer hydrogen and cannot use cracked ammonia. Which, no doubt, is why the British Motor Show are using AFCs superior product, which does have unique properties, shared with Gen Cell, though the latter don’t produce this product.
His posts are getting more bizarre by the day. Wind turbines powering EV chargers in a car park :-)
Graffiti, hydrogen being dangerous etc. What about alkamem membrane technology ? This alone will be a game changer for the company, nevermind the E V charger.
Scraping the barrel is a term that comes to mind.
From the UK governments EV driving change policy document.
54. Rather than increases to peak demand, the most problematic impacts of EVs on the electricity grid are likely to be experienced on distribution networks,118 where the majority of charge points are expected to be connected.119 If clusters of EV charge points emerge without sufficient planning and mitigation measures, then charging could overload local, low voltage networks, leading to power outages or ‘brown-outs’.120 The ‘My Electric Avenue’ EV trials found that that over 300,000 UK networks could be at risk of overloading from EV charging, with some local networks overloading when as little as 30–40% of customers charge their vehicle.121 Separate analysis by the Green Alliance has found that “as few as 6–8 cars charging in a small cluster, at peak time through dumb chargers, could result in significant disruptions to the local electricity distribution system.”122 The risk of overloading will vary according to local conditions–particularly the amount of ‘spare capacity’ that is available to deal with additional loads.123 Rural networks may be particularly at risk, since they typically have lower resilience (being connected to fewer neighbouring networks), and because motorists in rural areas are likely to rely heavily on home charging.
Yes 13thmonkey. We will also have off-grid generators and the AlkaMem membrane adding to income. The ev charger is just the start.
Doc 7, he's brought up some other points this time though, still doesn't recognise that between now and the end game solutions are needed. Just that in the end game we may not be needed, in 20 years time, by which point we'll have grid scale generation, in fact the old units could be repurposed, but 20 years is a long time.
At least he's stopped talking about people being killed by h2, or that there are enclosed spaces that no one goes into.
Doc7 if you press again you can de recommend
The arbiter of truth shall be the absence or presence of orders. The company have been approached by prospective customers and should the product fit the customers requirements then we should see orders. Its called business Bsac.
But the other issue is the fact this is only 1 aspect of AFC energys business. There is Alkamem entering a $1Billion market place with as De Nora out it was outstanding and the large stationary power production. New markets for the high density cell could be rail and shipping. So if you don't like AFC then don't invest.
As for anyone else looking in, do your research, lok at what other companies do in the fuel cell market and take an educated view. Because Bsacs view definitely isn't from education, its evolving to complaints of graphiti being a valid reason not to invest. Brains of an amoeba ....
Don't think there will be many selling now Bmac, so looks like you have just wasted another 1hr posting something that nobody reads or cares about.
Wrong on all counts BMac.
You say all fuel cells can do this. Not economically they can't, Because they cant use cracked ammonia.
Your arguments are repetitive and, whilst you are entitled to your view, the rest of us can see right through them and you. However much you say the earth is flat, it doesn't make it so.
Sadly i pressed the recommend button for your post erroneously.
Why don't you run along and leave this board for those who are invested in AFC to discuss. It's all a bit sad otherwise.
re The stats show.......Please crawl back under your stone. You clearly DO NOT even closely grasp the concept of what is on offer here and if you read any of the posts that have been submitted this weekend you'd realise how pathetically desparate you are sounding. Just move onto another share where there may be arguements to discredit a company but AFC is clearly not one of them!!
All the best
The stats show that the number of licenced cars in the UK was circa 32.5 million in 2019 (that’s cars only). Approximately 246,000 are electric and circa half of these are hybrids.
Serious up-take of EV’s is being held back partly because owners of existing fuel vehicles need to get the natural life out of that purchase and also because of the high cost of Electric Vehicles and the lack of a ubiquitous charging infrastructure throughout the UK. It is obvious to everybody that a complete changeover from this vast number of fuel vehicles to electric will take a long time and it will require a massive investment into the UK’s charging infrastructure. Literally millions of charging points will be required at all sorts of convenient locations and that can ONLY be achieved through an equally massive investment into our electric GRID and DISTRIBUTION infrastructure. It is NOT going to be solved by AFC’s hydrogen fuel cell EV chargers. Further, as the electrical distribution system is upgraded and built out where needed (which it will be) the grid WILL remain the connection of first choice for EV charger installations if only because of the sheer distribution required. This assessment is just so obvious when compared the TOTAL cost/return comparison of AFC’s fuel cell EV charger installations. Note that planning permissions WILL be required for AFC’s fixed installations and compound/sites secured. Vandalism and graffiti are real issue these days. At the moment, most owners and pending owners of electric vehicles currently have (or will have) home charging facilities. They can recharge their vehicle at circa 18p a unit. Slow charging (up to 3kW) which is best suited for 6-8 hours overnight and faster charging (7-22kW) can fully recharge some models in 3-4 hours. Why would anyone be happy to pay up to 2.5x that by seeking out an AFC charge point? Those with hybrids would seldom need an external charge as they can always make it home or to a cheaper charging location. At this point in time I can’t foresee any big demand arising for AFC EV chargers. No doubt there will be some circumstances where it will fit a need but not a major demand just at this time, so for many reasons I see a very slow order book from where I’m sitting.
At the end of the day, an AFC EV Charger is basically just a large battery pack feeding a number of charging points. The battery pack is charged in this instance via AFC’s hydrogen fuel cell. This same battery pack could just as easily be charged from a different source including peak and/or off-peak electric, wind turbine or a combination of these, and still provide the same service. Maybe cheaper. All existing fuel cell installations everywhere can adapt a similar battery pack set-up to provide cheap charging on site for their employees, further lessening the demand for alternative external and more expensive locations. Current government grants and subsidies are available for employers do this. Bmac