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J46
''Has it not dawned on you yet that buybacks are a scam ? Decisions made by bankers , who can't be trusted , to line their own pockets .''
The usual nonsense - heard it from you years ago - change the record.
The decision is made by SHAREHOLDERS in a vote. They do so knowing that it is a good investment for the longer term
Absolutely NONE of your business in any case - you hold shares in ZERO companies. Your idea is to stay away from shares -
j46
18 Nov 2020 19:51
‘’With DOW ~30k it's not investing , it's gambling !’’
28 Mar 2021 18:31
''US 10 yr notes yield ~1.5% , risk free''
The Dow is now not far off 40,000 - investors would have done well in US stocks and lost a
great percentage in capital value, getting a 1.5% yearly coupon return investing in the US 10 year.
''failed Mensa applicant''
Yet another lie - I did not accept the invitation to join Mensa, just as I did not accept an invitation to join the Freemasons.
'' they are taking shares out of circulation with what should be dividend profits and then awarding themselves shares .''
Again, NOTHING to do with you. Shares have been bought for cancellation (nearly 13 Billion of them so far), which should be the case as that is what shareholders voted for.
The BOD's do not award themselves shares.
All employees can now apply to be part of share incentive plans.
LTI,
"I suppose a WOKE person overhearing it, may report it to the police."
You report anything you don't agree with to LSE admin and then get erased , and in due course course get them barred .
One can only surmise you are also WOKE , not a real man !
J46
You are correct on Canada,
I was speaking to my brother inlaw over in Toronto a few days ago he has been there most of his life left here at 19years and is now 74yrs of age. For so many years all he had was praise for the country, but his stance as been changing over the last few years. Now he says it is a dump compared with what it was.
Once a relatively peaceful country as was ours, now crime ridden with a shortage of housing high rents no hope. Long waiting times in hospital A&E and shortages of beds .
They have of course committed the same mistakes as we and other European countries, I think anyone can guess what those mistakes are if they are honest.
One remarkable thing stands out Canada never left the EU !
Mick.b
You comment on the Tories selling everything that we ever owned was a little bit of bad timing.
Have you not heard that a certain Labour Slapper, by the name of Rayner, BOUGHT HER COUNCIL HOME AND MADE A £48k PROFIT.
Not to get into the pros and cons of the state sell offs many years ago, some things most people do not know or ignore.
Coal mines
Rail Ways
Ship yards.
And the car industry .
Where founded by private companies and individuals not the Governments of the day.
The coal mines, railways and ship yards were privatised for one reason, all had been ground into the dirt by over 5 years of war work, 5 years in which they had all been worked 24/7 from Sept 1939 until August 1945.
Little maintenance, working 24/7, they were shot, kaput and knackered , the post war government thought privatisation was the cheaper option than reimbursing their owners .
To do our part in saving mankind we bankrupted ourselves and no frigging foreigner gave a flying shxt.
LTI
A bit of a culling, you suggest, but the board would be as boring as others, one or two post per week.
The other day, one member said he had filtered 15 contributors, he must be so bored !
LTI,
"you can fk right off"
Such ungentlemanly language , from an ex banker .
In your warped mind , where would you like me to go ?
You seem to be getting rather exasperated this evening , for no apparent reason .
Good Friday , peace and goodwill to all mankind !
Car
''We all live in a world of WOKE, that is a FACT''
NO, we live in a world where some/many have decided that WOKE is for them , The sort of person who runs off to the police when being offended by someone using the 'expression 'need shooting', jist like the expression 'I will kill them if...' , which could be someone talking about their children - I don't think that they are litterally talking about killing their children.
I suppose a WOKE person overhearing it, may report it to the police.
Just as hmg don't run Lloyds, I don't decide who can use this site -if only. There would be a bit of a culling if that was the case,
J46
''You would get posters reported and banned''
your lies are never ending so you can fk right off
"I don't live in the world of WOKE, I have give you a FACT."
What you mean is, you ignore the WOKE.
We all live in a world of WOKE, that is a FACT. The media are guided by a WOKE minority. FACT.
You call a man a man and despite this FACT it's frowned upon. You call an immigrant a criminal and despite this FACT, it's frowned upon by the immigrants and the WOKE. You call a landlord an immigrant harbouring numpty, again the FACT is frowned upon by the WOKE. White English people will be barred, but despite the conflict of interest and obvious security risk, foreign men with beards will be allowed into the British forces, if not already. Only a matter of time before they admit former Taliban members, if not already. Look at the PM and other not really English leaders here in the UK. Khan rules London, what is that about? A recipe for instability.
Unstable Uk WOKE is now the norm.
LTI,
"whatever you say is a pile of siht "
You would get posters reported and banned for using such language , unethical , as an ex banker knows too well , without scruples .
Such language intones you're loosing the debate .
Flec
the whole point of you posting links to graphs in the first place, was because you don't like buybacks and in your mind it was somehow a way undermining the benefit of buybacks.
I am afraid it doesn't. Nothing wrong witjh a graph ,but people can see how many shares are in issue when an RNS is issued.
Without buybabks there would now be 76,638,729,101 shares in issue
''Has it not dawned on you yet.....''
has it not dawned om you yet, that whatever you say is a pile of siht- history says it all.
Flec
'' fundamentals and shares in issue for solid companies doesn't appear to currently carry much weight.''
fundementals are fundements. The market values a business on a daily basis. Whether the markets value is fully represents fundementals, is something that investors need to make decisions about. The market is valuing Lloyds at £33 Billion. That would be the case whether there were 120, 60, or 30 Billion shares in issue.
''LTI I find it offensive when you describe my views as idiotic when I make valid points''
''''when you can't offer a valid argument against their opinion.''
I don't live in the world of WOKE, and don't care if putting someone finds it offensive being told home truths. I have not given an opinion/argument, I have give you a FACT .
If there was a 2 for 1 share split for Tuesday morning it is a FACT that the market would not bvalue Lloyds at £66 Billion, just as if a split was made creating an extra 13 Billion shares (about the amount that buybacks have taken out of the market), the price per share would not be 52p on Tuesday
Fleccy,
I trust you are well bud !
You do talk much sense , I might not agree with 10% of observations but such have been debated in the past .
LTI needs help !
LTI clearly market valuations are based on various factors, fundamentals and shares in issue for solid companies doesn't appear to currently carry much weight. I would suggest sentiment and momentum is what's driving valuations for various stocks, Rolls Royce is clearly benefiting from the momentum trade for whatever reason. When you look at articles reasoning RR's climb they talk about growth in earnings, but ignore the fact that the earnings have grown from a low covid base. It's obvious that narratives are currently the driving force behind many stock valuations, but the financial media shape the narrative to suit their own vested interests. First they say interest rates are too low for Banks to make a profit, due to low net interest margin, then interest rates rise and they say interest rates are too high and defaults will cripple the bank profits, they just make it up as they go along.
LTI I find it offensive when you describe my views as idiotic, when I make valid points, it makes me wonder if you're somewhere on the autism spectrum since you seem blinkered and unable to take on other people's point of view, and get abusive when you can't offer a valid argument against their opinion.
LTI,
Has it not dawned on you yet that buybacks are a scam ? Decisions made by bankers , who can't be trusted , to line their own pockets .
In simple terms , for our failed Mensa applicant , they are taking shares out of circulation with what should be dividend profits and then awarding themselves shares .
I don't think you'll have noticed lloy is reducing it's workforce annually . Less employees , more shares for Senior management in bonuses .
Utterly unethical face of capitalism .
Ofc, you're all talking shyte, as Landlord Lloyds are priced purely on speculation. There is no logic to it. The SP could be 20p or £2, whatever some knob will pay. A bit like any Ebay auction. Based on speculation, the market has looked at Landlords and looked at mass immigration, put them both together and thinks it is party time. Take advantage of the housing bubble created by all numpty landlords and their immigration requirement.
Lloyds will be 30p again. The Uk is bust and it's just a matter of time. Especially with this going green futility, making even more debt and poverty for Uk people, adding to the tax payer's benefits bill. China are opening masses of new coal power stations, so the Uk going green is a total nonsense, that only the clowns in the house of lords would approve of.
Sell high >50p and buy low
Flec
''evidence suggests that the link between shares in issue and the stock price aren't directly correlated''
Why is it that you can post some sensible things, but then be so idiotic on another issue JUST because you do not like buybacks. ffs snap out of it.
The market values Lloyds banking group on a daily basis. The price per share is based on the market value and the number of shares in issue. Whichever way you have the equation, with
76,638,729,101 shares in issue the price per share now would be many pennies lower, just as it would be if they did a 10 for 9 share split for Tuesday morning.
Flec
'' the price per share could still have been around the current 52p,''
NO NO NO NO NO - the market is valuing Lloyds at £33 Billion
Flec
''That is speculative and an unknown''
ffs - GET YOUR BRAIN INTO GEAR
''you should listen to John!
You might learn something''
I will leave that to very low IQ idiots like you DCB
J46
28 Mar 2021 18:31
''US 10 yr notes yield ~1.5% , risk free''
Painful capital depreciation.
21 Sep 2021 22:18
‘’ Major contagion a cert !’’ re evergrande in china
The world didn't come to an end
22 Feb 2022 21:49
‘’ Putin invading Ukraine will bring Lloy down to 28p .’’
It didn't happen did it.
''27 Jan 2022 16:19
''Adviceable to watch for anyone who believes in capital preservation and wanting to pick up Lloy again @ 23p''
Once again - didn't happen
22 Jan 2022 15:24
‘’ The Dow will lose + 50% from it's present peak during Biden' Presidency.
18 Nov 2020 19:51
‘’With DOW ~30k it's not investing , it's gambling !’’
The Dow is now not far off 40,000.
LTI
"ffs - Have you STILL to learn - Buybacks will increase the price per share relartive to what it would otherwise be."
That is speculative and an unknown. Lloyds could have made limited buybacks to cover the Block listings, like they did under AHO and the price per share could still have been around the current 52p, with Lloyds having a higher Market Cap. In July 2015 there were over 71 Billion shares in issue, yet the price per share was over 80p, so evidence suggests that the link between shares in issue and the stock price aren't directly correlated; Look at Rolls Royce in March 2019, there were 1.9 Billion shares in issue and the stock price was in the region of 310p, today RR have 8.4 Billion shares in issue with a share price of 426p; No doubt people will speculate that RR's prospects are so much better now, but it was only really covid that battered RR and loaded them up with more debt, effectively putting the company on its knees.
However the market decides to value shares, it doesn't appear to be based purely on the number of shares in issue, historic pricing for Lloyds and RR shares proves that.
LTI, you should listen to John!
You might learn something!
LTI ,
"it is an open market - some investors like myself like to buy stock at low valuations."
You buying lloy at 83p when market cap was £86 BN makes a mockery of above statement .