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Pussy

That link is jclick bait - a series of assumptions leading up to a slimy American sales pitch.

I’m positive on DT but that source is totally disreputable.

CR

“All shorts should be gone or going very soon …”

What is it with these unenlightened boards that make the practice of shorting so hard to understand?

Shorting is just the same as buying
Except you sell first and buy later

And you allude to short positions being permanently open when most of the time shorts are taken out by day/short term traders. The same as traders do when they go long.

Shadowfall are short-term short traders.
Below is a short history of shadowfall/Darktrace association.

Shadowfall are boiler room operators who know considerably less about stocks than I do.
They jumped on the short bandwagon when Peel Hunt raised a flag stating DT was overvalued.
And our boiler room boys (like hyenas who always return to the same watering hole) have been plaguing DT ever since. And then…

TB announce a potential bid
The coked-up boiler room boys in their London cellar soil their pants. Their short term shorts are suddenly showing eye-watering losses.
So what do they do?
They try to drive the shareprice down by issuing negative comments (that cannot be proven to be true or false) BEFORE TB have even come to a decision to bid, in an attempt to drive the shareprice down.

Got nothing against shorting, I short stocks myself sometimes. But being short and trash-talking a company you have large losing short position on is manipulation. Instead of betting on an outcome you are attempting to determine that outcome.

Illegal in the USA - Regulators would never tolerate it Shadowfall would have had their cellar raided, shut down and all boiler room employees arrested (most of whom are out on bail anyway)

So their you have it.
Shorting by stealth
Keeping positions small enough to go under the radar.
And short term shorting.

And I know this because I’m

ToffAppleton

The King of the Game

Clueless

“don't forget about all the competition that DARK faces and DARK's products aren't cheap.”

These uninformed boards never cease to amaze me.
You’ve been wiped out on your Cineworld investment tragedy, and here you are on another board offering people unwanted advice. You must know you’re in no position to give anyone investment advice.

You talking about warning flags pertaining to Darktrace. Well let me ask you this…

Didn’t you spot any warning flags when you piled in, repeatedly averaged down, and went all in with Cineworld?

Such as the $8.9 billion debt.
The lousy asset stripping management.
The sale and leaseback of their entire property portfolio.
And a hundred other red flags.

You couldn’t spot a red flag if you were wrapped up in one.
It defies belief that someone with your track record should dare to offer others advice.

My advice to posters on these boards is to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff, because if you listen to posters life clueless you’re going to end up broke. Stone broke.

And that’s coming from ToffAppleton…

The King of the Game

“It’s hardly been the best week for Darktrace”

On the contrary, I think it’s been an exceptionally good week for Darktrace. They’ve retained their independence, staved off predatory vulture funds and kept their investors inside.

Do we feel compelled to sell because some American vulture fund makes an offer - I think not.

Darktrace is a futuristic goldmine.
£25 a share wouldn’t be out of the question once the dust has settled.

“Darktrace only floated on the London Stock Exchange last year but already it has become a takeover target.”

Absolutely, it only floated in May 21. It seems the management have got far more confidence in the company than the investors. I put that down to investor illiteracy in the UK

That Darktrace attracted predatory suitors so soon after floating is a testament to its incredible product.

And on a final note - Britain has lost too many valuable tech companies to the US so I’m hoping Darktrace remain British.

How are we ever going to build up our economy in the era of Charles 3 if all our best companies get bought out for peanuts.

£20 a share in 2025?

Highly likely in my very experienced opinion

And ToffAppleton…

Is the King Of The Game

Old Troll

“Some on here actually like to have sensible discussions bringing factual content to the table.”

I’ve already discredited and exposed you as a pathological liar. You claimed I had millions of Cineworld shares when in reality I don’t own a single share and never have. Anyone who doubts me and believes you need only refer to my posting history.

As for sensible discussion - you?
You’ve got to be kidding - you’ve got all the elegance and finesse as the boiler room boys you adore at Shadowfall :-))

Feel privileged that I took the time to reply, but don’t expect anymore - I usually ignore attention seeking Trolls.

Old gold

Anyone can read my posting history and see from my multiple posts on cineworld that I’ve been consistently negative. In fact I’m probably Cineworld’s biggest assassin.

You’re following Shadowfall’s example by making things up - but that’s what I’d expect from an old troll like you. Perhaps you can’t read?

Regarding Darktrace - outside miners it’s been my biggest money maker since December last year. Been buying in repeatedly @400 and selling at a profit (short term trader) I can’t be bothered adding up my profits on Darktrace but it’s a five figure number.

All I have in Darktrace now are 700 shares.

Bacchu

Get your facts straight before you start barking at me.

In Darktrace’s financial results posted on Thursday, “the firm said that the cash offer has now been “terminated.” Thoma Bravo said it had not made an offer but reserved the option to make a bid in the next six months”

From this article.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/darktrace-stock-collapses-30-after-takeover-talks-end-11662627607

Although TB walked away, they reserved the right to make another bid after six months. Make of that what you will - but to me, it alludes to TB retaining an interest in a takeover.

The boiler room boys from Shadowfall may be rejoicing for now, but Darktrace is likely to get taken over eventually.

What I can’t understand is why the toothless fairy which is the FCA allows a boiler room outfit to disseminate false narratives about Darktrace. They’re obviously fabricating fake news and shorting the company at the same time. There’s no way regulators would allow that in the USA so why do they allow boiler room operations to do it here.

Shadowfall’s erroneous opinions have no foundation- they are imaginary scenarios plucked out of thin air to support their short position. Tech products are more difficult to value than most other businesses - and Shadowfall are using that void to attack the company for all its worth. They are preying on the ignorance of investors, using fabricated scare stories.

The onus is on Darktrace to confront misinformation, otherwise markets are going to believe it. Hopefully Darktrace will issue a statement soon, explaining why TB walked away (for now)

Lots of speculative comments about the nature of the business/product but the litmus test is whether it works or not.
And like any bodyguard in the physical world it is only called into play when faced with a threat.
Darktrace’s big mistake was listing on the UK market rather than in the US. British investors are woefully inadequate at understanding/valuing technology company; evident in the paucity of tech companies in the indexes. In my opinion this anomaly is down to a huge intelligence deficit inherent in the nation.

One certain outcome from the absence of a bid will be that the shorting hedge fund hyenas who have been plaguing this stock since it floated will wade in with thousands of small sell trades to drive the SP down. I expect it to test £3 before the week’s out.

These hyena funds, more than anyone, misunderstand Darktrace’s product. In true Neanderthal fashion they can’t comprehend that something intangible can be worth anything. (as all tach companies products are) But you’d expect that from boiler room operations staffed out with coke snorters.

Clueless

“I am very aware of the 0.50% requirement to report shorts thresholds,”

So why post the link to a website that only exposes declared shorts of 0.5 percent or higher???

Knowing the game as I do, I was merely explaining how hyena hedge funds keep their short position below this threshold to evade detection.

The game isn’t black and white as your posts suggest, it’s made up of numerous shades of grey.

pwa

“Anyone else disapointed that we will lose another gem company to a buyout? “

I think most of us are. But the UK only has itself to blame. Principally because UK markets are incapable of valuing stocks fairly. And that applies more so to tech stocks, such as Darktrace, then any others. As exemplified by Shadowfall (little more than a grubby boiler room operator operating out of the bowels of London) investors are totally clueless when it comes to valuing intangible assets.

And of course the weak pound - trading at 30 percent below its real value. Considering the combination of the aforementioned is it any wonder the nation’s most promising are getting snapped up by overseas predators quicker than you can say Jack Robinson.

The country will suffer as a consequence. Such is the country’s intelligence deficit, the average person knows nothing of investing outside of the national lottery and cryptocurrencies (which aren’t investments at all) Financial illiteracy defines the general population.

Clueless

“No sign of Shadowfall shorting DARK at mo !!”

Wrong yet again!

Short positions don’t have to be declared unless they surpass the 0.5 percent threshold as stipulated by regulators.

Shadowfall’s modus operandi is that if all hyena hedge funds - to collaborate with other hyena hedge funds in collectively shorting a company, by stealth, ensuring each stays below the threshold. It’s known in the game as ‘shorting by stealth’ because it goes under the radar.
And I know all about the game.

Shadowfall have been shorting Darktrace shortly after they floated. That’s evident in the volatile shareprice action - the erratic shareprice rises are the result of panicky short-covering by Shadowfall and their cohorts when the stock gets a boost on positive news.

Any observer can see Darktrace’s price movement doesn’t follow regular patterns - and I’ve just explained why.

From Shadowfall’s perspective keeping under the 0.5 percent threshold causes maximum damage to the companies they attack - simply because the share falls cannot be credited to shorting and investors get worried.

But the market makers know what’s going on.

Regulatory bodies need to put a stop to this by lowering the 0.5 percent threshold declaration to 0.1 percent. And Shadowfall needs to be hit with an astronomical fine for criminal market manipulation.

Shorting a company by stealth while publically trashing its reputation is a crime - it’s like being able to choose your own cards in a casino- and it’s a crime that requires the severest of punishments. Because they are not betting on an outcome they are trying to determine one.

Like their namesake hyena hedge funds work in packs to bring healthy companies down for profit.

I’m not against regular shorting if you’re betting on an outcome. Failed business models such as Cineworld are fair game. But there’s a cogent distinction between shorting failed companies and fabricating and disseminating false information about companies in rude health, while simultaneously shorting them.

Shazbo

“These are the filtered so far on my list, up to you if u want to engage with them or not. .

Aimmaster
Jtan
Insideriinfo
Stiartlittle
Cloudymountain
Oceanpassage
Giantsquid“

Unfortunately filtering posters who hold alternate views isn’t going to stop you incurring eye-watering losses on your Cineworld investment tragedy.

If you’d have listened to them in the first place perhaps you wouldn’t be in a world of pain now.

You can add my name to that list too - my posts are far too informative for someone of your ilk.

Shadowfall

A history of malicious misinformation that backfired.

https://www.cityam.com/darktrace-shares-slide-after-short-seller-shadowfall-bets-against-the-stock/

Interesting to see Shadowfall has reared its grotesque head again. In October 2021 they publicized their short position against Darktrace together with a load of fabricated vitriol. (The shares plunged afterwards)

The times article is nothing new. What we have here is a pack of s**theads who have been caught with their trousers down and now they are spreading misinformation in a desperate attempt to avoid multimillion pound losses.

When they first declared their animosity toward Darktrace there was no buyer on the horizon. Now buyers are lining up to buy Darktrace at £6 £7 £8 and Shadowfall are in the firing line for a MASSIVE short squeeze.

What I find especially satisfying is that when I sell my shares for £7/8 I know Shadowfall are going to be the ones buying.

They called it badly wrong and it’s going to cost them dear. Nothing against honest shorts but I take exception to their spreading malicious misinformation. They deserve a multimillion pound fine for that - let’s hope the toothless fairy (FCA) acts against what I regard as overtly manipulative activity.

And let’s hope the creeps at Shadowfall have access to shotguns when the s**t hits the fan.

Bonkers

“Why else would you slate a share and add nothing but negativity to the board”

You’re overlooking one massively important factor.

Think of the people who came onto this board with a view to investing but changed their mind after reading constructively negative posts.

Think of the grief it’s saved them - the sleepless nights, not to mention the money.

It’s primitive to suggest only people with positive comments be allowed to post. And it’s selfish and spiteful to expect everyone on here to be suffering from the same grievous losses as yourself. I can understand you’re in a world of pain but why try to drag others into your investment tragedy?

I don’t like posters telling others to buy or sell, but whatever view they hold, as long as it’s substantiated it’s valid.

All investment boards need balance - for and against - to give neutral readers an unbiased view.

Hopefully people who have lost out on Cineworld will gain valuable lessons from their loss and come back wiser.

Jones

“We shall see who is right and who is wrong in the coming months!”

Your optimism is commendable.

But it’s my belief we’ll find out who’s right or wrong in the coming days.

Would be the perfect time to announce bankruptcy.

I’d be surprised if the decision hasn’t already been made. I can’t understand how Cineworld can continue trading under current circumstances.

Jones

“In my opinion he is using this Chapter 11 as a trump card to scare Cineplex!”

You do know don’t you?
That if Cineworld files fchapter 11 they will no longer be on the hook for the 1.2 billion Canadian dollars Cineplex were awarded.

That’s a big part of the reason chapter 11 is imminent.
And - we don’t have that chapter in the Uk but we have the equivalent which is insolvency - so bankruptcy will be filed simultaneously in both countries.

But you’ll be heartened to know chapter 11 will protect the workforce - cinemas will remain open - for the unenlightened it will be business as usual.

But the shareholders will get wiped clean.
You must know in situations like this shareholders are bottom of the food chain?

That’s an inherent risk in investing.

Shareholders will end up with the same as Cineplex.
Which is FA

Well, someone’s got to pick up the tab for bankruptcy.