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‘ Where’s your evidence that the Europeans want the war to continue?’

Apart from the fact some EU governments wanted to steal Russian assets, and since promised 90 billion of European tax payers funds falsely described as a loan to continue to (embezzle?) arm itself…hmmmmmm 🤔

' the new draft would provide Ukraine with strong security guarantees and a military strength of 800,000, Zelensky explained'

This would cost untold billions in maintenence alone never mind finding the personnel to serve, away with the birds.

And here's another one pooper my dog also laid one this morning.

Spikey is detached from reality the UK has approx 8 billion of frozen Russian assets and zero chance of Starmer or anyone else (let’s face it he ain’t gonna be around for too long) using these assets to fund the Ukraine even the crazies in the EU have had to accept the legal risk and financial recourse so immensely self destructive hence conceded defeat with the alternative questionable promise of a 90 billion ‘loan’

What the main stream media are not highlighting is the Ukraine already has a 40 billion loan outstanding subsequently ‘only’ likely to receive 50 billion of funding which will I assume be floated as ‘euro bonds’ for investors, however who is going to be buying these as there is zero chance of Ukraine paying back the ‘loan’ and zero chance of Russia the paying reparations of 90 billion? Said it before say it again this is coming down on European tax payers and economies that are currently in reverse gear with little chance of recovery unless they change tack?

As for Roman A’s 2 billion (up the Chelsea) see you in court that’s only going the same way.

Further consideration again not referenced or discussed by our media, the EU already has billions of bonds floated on the market related to the covid pandemic which at some point are going to mature so include that onto the never to be paid Ukraine ‘loan’ and even Jub Cap can surely see the risk and fragile investment case?

There was good reason why the EU’s sober members Orban Fico and Czech’s only agreed to this as long as they were not liable to foot the bill.

Merry Xmas 🎄

210 billion was for 2 years 90 billion be lucky to last a year, and lets not forget no one is auditing where the money goes or how it is spent it could just 'disappear' puuufff just like that!

A 90 billion euro loan will not last barely a year, when you consider the 210 billion was set to last for 2 years and the rate Ukraine is burning cash they are already referencing a further 45 billion to simply keep the lights on?

Thankfully the unhinged German contingent led by 'Von der Lyin' and 'the Merz of blackrock' failed preventing a Euro ECB bond crisis which along with the collapse and de-industrialisation of German industry would be quite some acheivement?

However someones got to pay European citizens I expect, which if Brussels square is anything to go on yesterday could be a concerning portent into the future?

"Nb beastie is pro russia in case you hadn't noticed you dipstick." LOL I am not pro-Russian you clown, I am simply concious the misery and catastrophic decisions our government, the EU and US have been doing for years in this instance using a proxy to fight their own percieved enemys.

Ukraine lost it's 'sovereignty' back in 2014 when it pandered to US hegemony it's someone else's proxy with zero interest in the well being of it's people.

Meanwhile at the beacon of democracy Ukrainska Pravda physically assaulting a lady MP in front of the EU flag, should be a worthy addition to the EU these folks :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjLKgTzS3_A

Christian has not got long until year end, not sure if this webinar is still going ahead but IMV it should do as we cannot rely on the prevailing geo-political insanity?

'For all those Russophiles on here, it's never been easier to go and live in the Motherland... '

That is the sort of asinine comment one has come to expect, it's not our problem your unable to open your eye's or mind to the fact your own country and political allegiances along with it's willing propaganda machine legacy media has every bit an equal responsibility for the disaster in the Ukraine.

It's not like they don't have previous, never ending catalogue of disasterous coups and wars.

'When peace comes rearming Ukraine with strategic nuclear weapons may deter Russia from further invasions'

What a ridiculous thing to even consider?

I predict zero kids turning out for this duplicitous government never mind some corrupt sh*t hole in Eastern Europe, they might however show some interest in a civil cause giving them some hope of a future over a few weeks of misery prior to a potentially ghastly end?

The irony a flotilla of inflatables heading away from Blighty 🖕

'Rishi Sunak was right in saying that 18 yr olds should be conscripted'

Rishi's kids to go first then.

'A very sober assessment' There is nothing remotely sober about your comments on the situation, you appear as detached from reality as the circus that appeared in Downing street the other day with one exception Larry the cat.

As imperfect as Trump is (IMV he could have handled this situation in a more consistent way) can you imagine Kamala right now along with Von der Leyen, Kallas and all the other permenantly offended characters in Europe?

They were even still talking of a asset seizure despite being warned of the inevitable disasterous consequences via euroclear and the ECB?

Minimal logic or objective thinking and to hell with the consequences, a different ideology dressed up as 'progressive' with the same potential results as the previous century.

IMV if a peace plan were agreed then the true cost of Ukranian loss would be revealed along with some accountability as to what happened to the billions sent to the Ukraine.

Sounding more and more like the MSM UK government crap by the day, remember the tripe they originally fed us, shovels, washing machine parts, rusty rifles, leukaemia weeks to live to name a few?

Now it’s, mass desertion, zero pay, meat grinder, economy broke, millions dead…yet they still insist that the Ruskies are going to invade and destroy the rest of Europe?

Which is it this is not possible this narrative is 🐂 💩

Financially Ukraine is a basket case, no economy, no industry a social and demographic crisis due to millions leaving the country along with a tragically high casualty rate the country is running on fumes.

Their hope appeared to rest on the plan by the increasingly unhinged sounding Von Der Leyen's heist of Russian assets in Euro clear which the ECB Belgium gov and even many MEPs are aghast at the potential consequence? Never one to be deterred and ideologically consumed as she is she is talking of some kind of bizarre loan arrangement which will inevitably impoverish millions for years to come and probably at Ukraines rate of cash burn last all of 6 months?

Golden toilets all round.

Usual predictable deflection, answers a question with a question continually demands discussion on EUA and fails back up statements with facts?

Moribund