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Alfa - agree with you on this one - Sotolo on this one I have to side with Alfa. When you look at Goldprice org you will see that Silver is up for the year now an incredible 55%, I am glad if you feel that we "only" produce 40% income based on last years reported figs because if you look at the account now you will see that has changed big time!
I will also say that HOC report Silver ( as a converted equivalent of Gold) as if it is Silver/Gold - they do also mine Gold in its own but from what I remember this is quite small compared to the likes of Centamin and Fres. I think the market might be surprised by the results soon for all 3 comps being honest with you. We will know more from Wednesday I would not be shorting any of them at the moment mate, and look for growth, inflation and then more growth as fund managers pile in here. Good luck!

Like you Steve I have one of my pensions managed and most of that is in the far east and India. I have another Lloyds pension coming very soon that is run by Capita and Uk based. Whilst I was working in London I managed somehow to put 17% of salary into my pension on top of my employers contributions and even though for at least the last 20 yrs we did not have the same holidays, etc,etc others had, I was able to retire early when Brexit came and GBP fell. I then changed my oversees pension funds to prudential who know far more than me, but rather than also bring across my Capita (old Lloyds pension) I am going to draw then soon as the fund value they have for me tells me I only have 12 yrs to live after retirement. I have no intention of that so I will make them pay it out for a lot longer, ha,ha. My own investments built up after retirement 5 yrs ago, not earn my more growth than Prudential and even their own salesman last year said they might have to come to me for some tips as I made more money than they did, ha.ha. At the time of Brexit I did very well in the miners. I still feel they will all come back fast very soon, at the expense of all of the current gamblers who are buying in expectation ICAG, Easyjet, TUI, etc, my feeling is they are NOT out of the woods yet and will see no growth or returns for a couple of years as they pay back their debts - so will suffer future write downs. Good luck one and all next week, I have a feeling will be the start of a good run. We need to get the Trump show off the road and the Stimuli being seriously discussed and then we will be off! Once inflation returns big time we will get a second run as Gold is then the Currency to have, and the big fund Managers will work this out quickly too! I see Standard Life has seen this already!! Good for them to get in first and ride the wave which is how its done!

Many US Analysts reporting Gold to rise as yields fall as Comps come back. Suppose many have used higher yields / bonds for growth but I see the Stimuli coming forward after we get our news back off the Trump fiasco. I cannot see that as being more important than the US Economy but there you go we live in a strange World at the moment.
Viable -sorry not interested in anything I do not know - maybe you can summarise your idea.

Silver rise just fine for the largest Silver miner in the World, but reported on Bloomberg Gold to rise for the week for the first time in three. Also reported as stocks return to form, yields will fall and Gold will rise.

True- perhaps time to sell the gold you had in August when Centamin was £2 a share & buy some more Centamin and wait for the price to return! The reverse of your argument is one I see to provide benefits. i.e. As my old boss used to say. buy when everyone else sells, and sell when everyone else buys! What you have done is very good however as he also said do not rely on only one source of income. So well done you!

Just announced from Bloomberg market (per the experts). Yields have been rising recently with falling stocks which has held back Gold - once this turns the cycle is reversed. All are cyclical as we have mentioned before.

Interesting interview on bloomberg with them saying that there are a lot of so called Zombie Companies out there that are companies that should not even be in existence apart from the fact that the govt. has been funding them to keep running. It makes you wonder doesn't that if if hadn't been for the govt.paying staff then there is it is true there are a lot of so called zombie companies out there that would not otherwise exist - apart from the govt. intervention?

They in effect hold/Deal with the physical stock and will themselves hedge to undermine the price/although Understand CEY do not hedge as they do not need to. Also no charges (apart from the brokers share buying fee is found) and they pay as disclosed earlier a growing 3% divi increasing into 2021 from 2020. Finally no charges or security concerns for holding the stuff the costs of which are born by the producer.

Precious metals flying at the moment perhaps the Reddit traders are back.
Looks like DK you were on to something I also hear there is a coin shortage again and last time last yr we hit new GBP highs.
Fingers crossed our run will run!! Reddit, run reddit!

Perhaps the Reddit boys are back or there is as reported on other boards a Real Precious metals shortage!! We should came up fast from here now!!

Plus as I said yesterday for many hundreds of years Gold/Silver has always been the measure by which currencies have been judged. It is also a safe haven for Govts, (unless your name is G/Brown) and will always be). No politics intended -just fact. It is also used as a measure for Insurance payments for A/line pax claims, etc,etc, so it has many uses apart from Industrial usage. Silver/Gold are the best known electrical conductors known to man. So good in times for safety, and good in times where industrial usage is picking up with a need for the raw materials. The stocks are always volatile in price but that means one just has to wait for them to come back like you do with any cyclical, and I have learn't over too many years to mention you just need to be patient, and the stocks in precious metals on the ftse will recover or unfortunately (Randgold/Acacia -fame) will be taken over. Already with the market sentiment the Gold/Silver prices are starting to take off. Also a 3% divi, for Centamin, better than any UK bank a/c for cash a/cs. Yields when corrected will also make gold rise as the markets come back.

I see the end of the summer as the time to come back in here - but until then perhaps some of the pubs that are loss making could be sold off for development. Perhaps Taylor Wimpey/ Barratt could come in here for some cheap property? Pubs generally have large car parks as well as the pub itself. Could be an opportunity between now and the summer whilst lock down is in full swing? So maybe that is why the share price is holding based on prop.values as there are no sales? Perhaps could also be a way for RF to raise further capital to pay debts? Motto could be if drinking at home is encouraged then we need more homes and less pubs?

Link at the bottom of my comments found yesterday to CEY sustainability. This is one sensible share and hardly going to collapse. Unlike many other shares such as TUI, IAG, EASYJET, Hotels chains or Pub Chains - after first and second wave recoveries (where people felt the Pandemic would be short lived). No share rises all the time most are cyclical. However I will stick here and have topped up with some more recently as this is a very good long term buy, as well as short term buy considering the recent re-adjustment for the earth movement in one corner of the site. I hear certain preliminary stages for Bidens Stimuli have now been approved to start processing for a vote going forward. Check out Bloomberg news. Cey were last year very much before the auctions moving up to 500,000 oz a year, and then Barrick said they were interested in buying any Gold miner with over 500,000 and then suddenly our output projections suddenly fell with some earth movement to 400,000 to 430,000 - strange but true. CEY have a sustained mine (the only active Goldmine in Egypt) the Egyptians do very well out of it they will not want to upset the apple cart or the hand that feeds. All will turn out well here very soon. After a risk for a Comp. that is strengthening its balance sheet every day with a cash haul of 300m is not going out of business and we are on here only arguing over how much money we will make, as the Company is not in trouble at all. In fact the fact we are not a serious risk is perhaps why we have not been going up as most feel to make money they need to take risk. Think about it. However I still feel the Insurers will start coming in here for some very tasty divis very soon. If the share does not provide day trader over night growth it does still very much supply a very good divi. projected to increase through 2021 and long term sustained earnings. See link and apologies if seen before but a very informative post :-
https://www.miningmx.com/news/gold/44821-centamin-embarks-on-long-march-as-it-rebuilds-faith-in-egyptian-gold-mine-sukari/

Mr T -I think keeping an open mind in life can be a good thing - Give everything and everyone a chance and do not rate anyone, or complain about your neighbour who ever they are, and until you get to know them personally for an opinion is my motto. Never rely on the press or hearsay. However we are all entitled to our own private views and so I will leave it at that but there are also a lot of good people out there too and some to not have to advertise this as such.
Moving on I hope Mr Biden helps get his package through the various committees (he also keeps German Shepherds like I do) so he can't be a bad bloke! He will help support my pension if we get his stimuli actually delivered. I see Silver up this morning which has the lead on Gold so perhaps we should recover some lost ground for the week later today. Fingers crossed, begging bowl out, lets get the weekend off to a better start!

Mr T my point was that instead of having large central banks funding the printing of money by buying debt and some major members of a union exploiting the minor less fortunate ones by issuing them with loans. I also feel a Country could balance its own books against other currencies with by hard currency or Gold reserves (just like the old days before Ted Heath lead us under a morning cloud). I actually quite like the chance to become independent and to be run by our own rules and to be able to conduct our own deals. I suppose time will tell if I was right to buy Centamin in the same way as if Brexit was right but we need to give it all a chance. I actually quite like the freedom we have had to think on our feet and certainly the decisions made to invest in the vaccines we have were quicker than the EU. I just wish we could roll it all out quicker to save more lives, and then we can help others save theirs. I think the Eu sometimes are what Clint Eastwood would say "they are legends in their own minds" ha.ha.

Well lets tell him then the way is clear for him to advise all the EU Countries to start going back to the EU without any reciprocal agreement we are quite happy for our big four to continue in London and all of theirs to leave the London Banking and Insurance World to ours. Let them invest instead in their own home or father land and EU debt. I sure they can underwrite the debt in all of the European countries we used to help underwrite themselves without our support. We can balance our books with the EU Countries as we used to do by moving and reverting back to Gold reserves. This is a far better reliable currency than just the printing of any EU bonds (mind you they even have not been increasing those recently anyway. I have a feeling yet again the EU have underestimated the total of the traditional business we actually have, or the Uk's connections with the World - shame they will not reciprocate as we more back to a hard currency, I think we also need a hard nose! Gold will have further uses as we move forward I am sure.

My chart says Gold has risen 605% yes 6 Hundred % in 20 yrs. However only ? 17.50% in the last year. The only reason for Centamin falling from over £2 a share is due to a lower grade being mined than previously due to earth movement in a high grade area which we were told was caused by underground water movement. Pumps have been on site, and we are told large earth works are moving material to assess how to get back in to the higher grade material. It is not unusual to find the best Gold in rock close to water flows and the mine still produces in the meantime from other areas of the site. Once the situation is found to conclusion we will be back over £2. However if the price of Gold continues to rise many predict a sudden upward path once the US Stimuli is released then we will rise anyway. In the meantime we have a Company with no debt and 300m in the bank - not bad to maintain a good divi which many a fund manager would like a slice of. So we will also rise on the fund managers and life insurers coming in here (such as Standard Life yesterday) to support their pension income requirements, whether we rise in capital value or not, we still provide income. Unlike most Bank interest bearing accounts, or even bonds at the rate they are currently. Where else can you find a divi maintained at present? & in time Capital growth! & possible new exploration wins, and or development of the deposits already found in Burkina Faso!

Yesterday the Fed supported further govt.action and after some time consuming with deeper research I found one actual small report in the middle of the night that said actors were working on the minutes of the stimuli to keep as many in the house happy as possible before submission for a vote in the house. Once the house has voted even if they do not approve the 3 trillion Biden has the power to push the Senate to approve now with a simple majority. So it is coming and it is being worked upon as we speak, but it is taking longer than we were all hoping in London. We just need to be patient that's all. Many fund Managers who run accounts that feed off dividends will be looking towards the precious metals after all their usual suitors are devoid of cash to distribute so I expect us to rise up towards any dividend release in any case as some of the big boys see this share and the other miners as a pay day for a divi. The likes of BP and Shell are no longer once they were for income. Certain pension funds will need divis from the precious metals miners to help them remain in check for income. So no panic here the market drivers would actually love to drive us lower so they can then buy us up at a cheaper price and gain an even bigger divi. Watch out for more life insurers/Pension managers coming on stream very soon, who was it yesterday errh Standard life - what do they manage errh pension schemes. Is what I have said above true? You work it out. Good lucks one at all but do not panic as Corporal Jones once said, we are not doomed Frazer with big life assurance support their analysts are about the best in the business for running income and growth!

Fairtrader - if it was such a great deal Platinum would have jumped for it now. They must have seen a pubs closed sign or the pork was not up to scratch!? Or the accounts were hiding too much debt? Have you looked at that recently? Hopefully we will get some meaningful update on the trading position for the pubs and Marston's side soon, but it is becoming a long hard winter, with no winter warmer served at the bar!.
The time will come for Marston's but perhaps in another 6 months we can re-consider the position. Hopefully they can open a few pubs for the end of the Summer. Good luck anyway.

Yoyoma - you are right you we must expect the same. However if felt it was the right time to bid for the end of the lock down then they got this terribly wrong. ie. would you buy a pub at the moment at a higher price? Just because the Covid 19 vaccinations were being handed out did not mean immediately the Pandemic is over. I am afraid a lot of respect for Platinum has been lost in that they acted too early. Think of the costs they have suffered and the time and effort that has been lost from both them and Marstons where the restructuring could have been taking place. I regret that we still appear to have a long way to go before the end of this Pandemic and we have not yet seen the end of it yet and at the end of a lot of brewers and pubs be permanently lost - shame. However it could also have been that when conducting their own due diligence the gamble was not worth the price once they took the current trading figs to their accountants. I am not sure when the next set of accounts is due out from Marston's but if may put any future potential bidders off for the time being too. Only a thought? From my point of view money is not everything and I am glad Marston's will remain British for some time yet and I hope it survives whatever the price. If it falls heavily then it gives other smaller investors an opportunity for risk! At the moment that's all it is in this market, risk, and it depends how much people are willing to take. IMHO. Good luck for those being brave and holding out.