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Re 14:16, no definition has been provided about what it means to claim that the ‘book is closed’. whether true or not, it could plausibly be a claim that the company itself will not be issuing any more newly created shares — but if that’s what it means, it absolutely would not preclude amit himself from choosing to sel existing shares that are already owned by him to others —- that would not require any ‘new issuance’.

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… taking stock, after 5-6 months of amit managing to drum up some excitement and anticipation amongst the faithful by trailing some pretty specific timelines and dates when people were going to be paid, after the last update he has effectively reset the clock back to square one (zero?) where there are *no specific dates at all* by which cloudtag is still promising that x, y or z has happened.

…. now just back to thanking shareholders for their patience, working hard, coming soon, blah blah, but all those specific dates and timelines have just faded away, as though they had never really been.

… means there will be scope to restart all that again, from a new start point, with an update promising something more specific about dates and deadlines … rinse and repeat.

11:17, b3ast, i agree re 1984. i think he is primarily a b***-s****er who likes trying to be provocative or oppositional. he’s wasted a five figure sum already in CTAG, but I doubt he is in any sense a true believer any more in amit’s nonsense.

hard to tell really with helx2, since he tries to come across so positively about the supposed deals & payout prospects, but then seems adamant that no-one would want to buy any more shares at this point, which doesn’t really make sense. i suspect he is in pretty deep, and hence a bit confused and desperate for it to pay out.

atb, have a nice day.

11:10, it would be interesting to hear back from shenners and phoenix how they got on with their proposed transaction, since they appeared to agree quantity and price on this chatboard, and then shenners gave phoenix an email to finalise the arrangement. … i wonder how they got on.

Sure, pikeyK, once amit has gotten round to writing up and signing his confession then i’m sure he would be only too happy to post it up on this board for all to see, and take his mask off, just like one of those episodes of scooby-doo.

but seriously, unless there was ever a conviction in a court of law, something i think is highly unlikely in this case, i doubt there will ever be any kind of closure /stone-cold confirmation of what was really going on.

individuals will simply have to draw their own conclusions from how things unfolded and how actual outcomes matched up with promises made.

B3ast, the other point is that as time goes on, it is probably a smaller and smaller pool of people still willing to buy shares, so it would get progressively finder to spot ‘em anyway. (quite apart from other issues such as being sworn to secrecy, embarassment, etc.).

but in such games, the few remaining fish will tend to be the ones who are (a) the most ardent believers, (b) the most gullible, (c) the most desperate to find some way of getting their money back as they are in so deep financially and psychologically … and hence they will often be some of the most productive marks for ongoing milking.

[apols for mixed metaphors re milking fish, you know what i mean!]

Thanks for the prompt reply, 1984. (as you know from previous posts, i do not own any cloudtag shares in the first place.)

there you go, helx2; you claimed at 09:37 that no shareholder would want to put any more money into cloudtag — but here is at least one shareholder who says that they do.

and if it’s true that 1984 would be willing to, then no good reason to think he would be unique in that regard (even if not the majority view). … so amit may well still have some pis out there potentially willing to buy yet more cloudtag shares.

1984, at 09:37, helx2 asserted that there isn’t a shareholder left who would put more money into this.

but you have claimed before on this board that you would like to buy more cloudtag shares - do you really mean that?

Cheers

Hi B3ast, may i ask, who is this ‘Tracy M’ you mentioned recently? [not asking you to dox their full name / actual contact details etc, just curious where that person, whoever they are, comes into the story — don’t recall hearing about them before.] tia.

Shenners said he wanted to sell his cloudtag shares. phoenix named a price and said he wanted to buy ‘em. shenners gave phoenix an email to contact to try to make the arrangements [& phoenix then faded away] …. ? do you think phoenix was only pretending (/lying)that he wanted to buy shenners’ shares?

you keep stating that amit isn’t selling any of his shares. but how do you know, helx2? - are you just going on something amit has told you, or are you simply making it up, or do you have some other evidence to back up your assertion?

me, i do not *know* for sure whether he is or isn’t; i am simply *speculating* on what i think are likely factors and motivations.

? if someone genuinely believed in amit’s fairy-tales about an impending multi-bagger, guaranteed since all deals already fully completed etc, then why on earth wouldn’t such a gullible person take every opportunity that they could to buy more CTAG shares from amit or anyone else? - you don’t seem to want to answer that, helx2.

Hellie, i do agree it’s a very long-running game, but it’s not really that elaborate.

in essence, the game is just:

“we’ve invented some valuable tech, and we’ve sold it for loads of money. but because it’s all so commercially sensitive, we’ve got to keep it all completely hush-hush and can’t tell you anything else about the tech or the buyer. but if you give me your money and trust me, then you’ll get your money back many times over soon, i promise! … followed by umpteen updates all basically repeating that same story, and saying”not long now”.

—- it’s been very drawn-out, for sure, but that’s not really a particularly “elaborate” pitch. it’s just very plain vanilla that most folk would not fall for in the first place.

If someone genuinely believes that amit is telling the truth and a huge multi-bag payout is imminent, then why wouldn’t they buy more bargain shares from amit?

— with his insistence that no-one would buy more shares from amit, helx2 makes it sound like he doesn’t really believe in amit’s fairy-tales himself.

I have no idea what you mean by “testing weak hands like you” - testing what?

1984 and phoenix have posted on this board that they want to buy more cloudtag shares - do you think they are not really telling the truth when they post that?

people like you who believe that cloudtag genuinely is likely to pay out a huge multi-bagger shortly don’t need to buy shares through “the issuance of new shares”; — they can just buy existing shares from amit, since he already owns hundreds of millions of ‘shares’.

….and helx2, if you are so convinced that amit has been telling the truth, and genuinely believe that “‘the charade” is actually the truth - still the most logical outcome at this point” — then surely it would make very good sense indeed for you, or anyone else who shares your bizarre belief, to buy more cloudtag shares from amit ….

…. because if you are right, then anyone buying more shares now will make an umpteen multi-bagger very soon; so it would be “barking mad” not to buy into such a good deal, wouldn’t it?

Helx2: “… there isn’t a shareholder left who’d put more money into this …”

even on this chatboard, very recently, there have been posters such as phoenix and 1984 claiming that they want to buy more cloudtag shares and claiming to make bids for them …. ? do you think they were lying, helx2?

09:22, to take more money off pis.

Helx2, you are, once again, rather muddled. it’s soyo that has been arguing for a ban on the cloudtag website, not b3ast.

if cloudtag is a legitimate business, and amit’s statements about completed deals and cash to distribute to pis are indeed honest and accurate, then no amount of reporting from soyo would make any difference to the existence and operation of cloudtag’s website, nor would it make any difference whatsoever to the payout of those vast sums of money to pis.

B3ast, re 09:58, who is “Tracy M”?

Helx2 10:57 - “you’re just trying to disrupt the process / make it even harder to conclude”

utter brain-dead garbage.

if what amit says is true, the deals have already been done, money has already been paid over, and all that now remains is for amit to distribute the cash from those done deals to the shareholders … so *if* that were true, then there is no conceivable way that all the chatter in the world on share chat fora could make any difference whatsoever to the cash from those deals already done being dished out.

Hoosier, if all this is because someone else is impersonating amit through multiple website updates, plus emails and phone calls with some pis over a period of several years, then why hasn’t amit taken some steps to stop this, or at least to state plainly that it’s not him, to protect his reputation and protect pis from being misled?

— that is exactly what hugh risebrow did, when his identity was falsely bandied around in relation to cloudtag.

… very hard to believe, from my perspective, that amit would not be aware of these shenanigans conducted under his own name for so many years.

— interested therefore, how would you explain the above, hoosier?