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I have just been rereading the RNS and do think it is nearly there. 1.Electrode pairing finalisation soon. 2. Electrode shipment Q1 subject to commercial agreement which I assume is linked to 3 3. Mass manufacturing agreement for electrodes 4. Flow Plate and Stack manufacture agreement by year end and was subject to tender 5. BoP and containerisation for plug and play system being addressed. This must take cognisance if 1 to 4 above. GLAH

they havent under delivered. they have done what they were contracted to do stokey

Operastar - I will assume that a lack referenced source to your quote that 'W2T pocket the main revenue and give PHE 20%' means that you are in fact unable to back up this claim and that you are in fact posting misinformation in an attempt to mislead, again.

picking up on chippyjo post I also wondered from looking at gladstone info whether the installation could be bigger than initially planned. this was yesterday before the rns.

Operstar - please quote the source for your quote that W2T pocket the main revenue and give PHE 20%.

I think that is unfair guys - I am sure some of the RNS state that the MOU / arrangement has been brokered by W2T. What are you expecting to be contracted - the commercial unit is in planning.

Hi Stokey, surely that is because commercialisation is the next step. PHE are only small and would need to do everything that W2T are doing and more. There is also the contacts side of things to consider. I have no issues with the arrangement which will be subject to review soon I guess. GLAH

Hi Operastar, the arrangement with W2T has been in place for a considerable time and was subject to RNS. There will always be future development but this will be in tandem with the commercial unit.

Was looking into Gladstone refinery - worth a read. May be more relevant articles out there. http://www.sor.com.au/northern-oil-advanced-biofuels-pilot-plant

Previous post from the W2T site. This all looks positive. Nothing has changed until advised. In parallel with PHE advancing the design engineering, W2T, as primary project developer, are in advanced discussions with a major engineering, procurement and construction business to offer a project wrap (a guarantee), initially for their first project. This wrap will underwrite funding for the first system developed from a project pipeline that currently has 15 sites identified. All are co-located sites, where feedstock and electricity offtake are part of the deployment agreement. A number of these opportunities include multiple trains (i.e., more than one) of the DMG® technology. W2T believe the UK waste sector has potential to support at least 200 units, as pressure grows to effectively dispose of unrecyclable plastic. These projects have potential to be upgraded at a later date to provide up to two tons of road fuel cell grade hydrogen per day at 99.999% purity, as confirmed in the DNV-GL report. This would support the rapid development of the hydrogen fuel cell vehicle market, especially for HGVs and buses where hydrogen offers advantages over battery operated vehicles.

Operastar that is not the way I read it and I dont believe that is what Piltick found interesting and as such this is still your opinion. The piece of the article you are using states: PHE has identified seven sites, including one at Ellesmere Port in Cheshire, where application-specific engineering activities are taking place, with each site comprising different specific waste streams that will be processed by a DMG® technology ‘research demonstrator’. It does not say that all of these units are prototypes. It does not say that these units are changing the route to commercialisation. The article states that full certification should be achieved at the first site where the first commercial unit is being built. This is no diversion to what they have said previously. The reference may be to demonstrator may be to units of similar size to the thornton unit and for all we know these may be being used in tandem. Unless stated by the company the plan has not changed and the first commercial unit is progressing as per previous announcements. Any diversion from this is pure speculation unless advised by the company and could be misleading.

Thanks Telephoneman. That article was dated 9th November and includes references to commercial agreements:

[ref to independent DNV certification]....... it provides our partners in the waste management industry with a key element of the independent technical assurance needed to finalise site application-specific commercial agreements to utilise the DMG® technology to reduce the volumes of waste plastics sent to landfill.

“Our expectations are that, with our planned engineering and risk management in place, the commercial operation of our DMG® technology will exceed one tonne of hydrogen production and generate in excess of two megawatts of electricity per DMG® unit, and we should achieve full certification against the DNV GL Technology Qualification process at our first site”.

Keith Allaun, the company’s CEO, added: “We sought this Technology Assessment of our engineering design by one of the world’s most highly respected evaluators of new technologies. DNV GL confirms both our technology design and the rigour of our engineering approach. Our team has worked relentlessly over the last 18 months to get the DMG® technology to its existing commercialisation phase.

“This independent assessment of our proprietary DMG® Technology adds further credibility to the considerable scope that exists for its commercial application, in the many sectors [involving] efficient and responsible use of non-recyclable and waste plastics, end-of-life tyres, and the creation of clean energy”

Hi operastar - PHE arent classing the first commercial unit as a prototype. I assume this to be your personal opinion.

thanks for the link. i think you have to register.

good reminder audible.

When presented with The Miles Consultancy's findings, a Department for Transport spokesperson said the government believed plug-in hybrids "bring significant environmental benefits", but would "now focus its support on zero emission models like pure electric and hydrogen fuel cell cars".

See if you can find anymore negatives Chaz.

Thanks for posting the link CD - six or seven early adopters - NICE

Link from ITM board. Any idea where they are getting the H2 doe the trial lease scheme?

Riversimple Rasa:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/riversimple-rasa-second-generation-hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-launched/

I found the enclosed on air products
gasification - the move appears to focus on using the technology to process biomass, coal and petcoke through gasification.

6 November 2018 by EWB Staff

Air Products adds biomass to gasification expansion

The company abandoned two waste gasification plants at a loss of about €876m two years ago

US-based Air Products has expanded its gasification portfolio with a deal to buy General Electric’s (GE’s) technology.

The move, which was announced yesterday, appears to focus on using the technology to process biomass, coal and petcoke through gasification.

No financial terms were revealed for the deal, which Air Products said was designed to complement the gasification technology it bought from Shell in January.

Shell’s technology was focused on coal gasification as well as a portfolio of patents for "liquid residue" gasification technology.

Air Products said its new portfolio of technology would allow it to offer syngas for the chemicals, fuels, power and refining sectors.

The new deal includes more than 1,000 patents relating to GE’s gasification technology, which has been deployed at more than 90 sites, with about 240 gasifiers supplying about 36,000MWth of syngas production.

There is no mention of using waste as a feedstock by Air Products, which in April 2016 said it would lose about €876m after scrapping development of two UK-based waste gasification plants, known as Tees Valley 1 (TV1) and Tees Valley 2 (TV2).

Currently, the "unused" equipment from the sites is being sold off.

Under Air Product’s new deal with GE, it has also taken over GE’s share of its 50/50 joint venture with China Shenhua Coal to Liquid and Chemical Company, which is subsidiary of China Energy Group.

The JV, formed in 2011, provides technologies for gasification projects in China.

https://www.endswasteandbioenergy.com/article/1498207/air-products-adds-biomass-gasification-expansion