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LMAO,, you are a joke of a person!!, like I’ve said before go back under your rock and stay there!!, you had nothing to this forum over the negativity!!, your a sad individual, who needs to get a life simple as that!!, I honestly wonder what you get from being a part and posting day in and day out on this Forum?, is it because your a lonely miserable person?, and don’t won’t company’s or people to succeed?, I honestly don’t get it
HITS how much gas and when?, that was always your finishing comments!!, like a stupid kid!!,
Well it’s more about how much gas can we can look forward to regardless of the gas Field as we all know it will run dry at some point but what about the process of AD??, what’s your answer to that as that’s classed as renewable energy!!, and how much well that depends on a number of factors but the COR dosent lie but if ANGS go down the route of AD and other then it’s never going to end!, simples!!,
The reason I’ve posted tonight is i think that HITS and the auntie AAOG are the lowest of the scum I can think of yet will use oil and gas for the there homes and cars!!, complete hypocrites!!,
My only question to ANGS would be this,,
1.are they going to install a CHP? And never hopefully look at using the flare other then emergencies?,
2.are they going to look at investing in a AD plant so they always have a gas supply when the gas field Depletes?,
3. Would ANGS look at a investing in a CHP that can take natural gas?, and hydrogen?, maybe they need to speak to 2G as there at the top of there game in this Industry, and by having a a AD plant they would also get paid for the final cake dry matter and used as a fertiliser,,
Also I would be asking they could be getting paid from a local council to take food sate too!!,
I’ve always said it and always will that HITS person needs to go back under there rock!!, just a vile person!!, who in there right mind wonts to see a share older loss money and come on a public forum ever day when there not invested putting a company down!!, just a sad individual who needs to get a life!!, but karma can be a ***** tho,,,
Back to my post in December, I was wrong I honestly thought angs might have G2G in April, but may is a good achievement still, but all holders of angs I can’t see it being full gas flow in may, but still G2G tho, I said I wait till mid Jan and I knew then it was running a little behind schedule,, but regardless you got to give GL credit what a masterclass in pulling this off and the timing too!, you couldn’t of made it up,, well done ANGS, and hopefully no buy out neither with all the assets ANGS has
Hi Echdelta,,
People are misunderstanding things,,
I said in a post of mean that commissioning will carry on into March maybe even March,,
They will have two HPC’s installed,, stage 1 and stage 2, so they will only flow a certain amount of gas on stage 1, and then when the second HPC is installed stage two,, so won’t be full gas flow to start with, how much I don’t know for stage 1 as I don’t know the spec of the HPC, so I think they will flow G2G end of feb early March but not full flow hence still commissioning etc till they install the second one,,
In regards to the EA, that will get approved,, I know this Industry, angs would have done and Above & Beyond to meet there requirements,, and there’s not a chance on this earth you order all this kit thinking your not going to get it
Hi baits,,
There will be what we call a G2G day, so the national grid will be there and a date set for this, before that date everything will have to be calibrated and commissioned,, angs haven’t yet said what that date is,, but before the ROV can be opened they have to be a 100 per cent happy with the soec of the gas etc,,
As of yet am still not sure why people are still saying we won’t be G2G by March!!, it dosent take that long to configure everything together!, it’s a simple process as they have the gas sitting there ready to go and don’t have to make it!, I’ve pointed this out many of times!, as long as the instrumentation, and the GEU and gas analyser and Elster are all working and the HPC then there shouldn’t be any issues, people are over thinking this set up
Yanis2005,,
Don’t know where your getting your info from?????
A PLC is the bank bone of any site a DCS or scada is just a monitor showing you what’s happening with the site!!, yiu coukd have 10 or 1, it depends on the operations of the site, and locations how easy to excess what’s going on!, but in this day and age we have a thing called team viewer, I did notice you missed that out??, did you copy and pasta from a site or something when asking them questions?, that a cost saver
Yanis2005,,
Likely hood is it be Siemens for the PLC could be wrong,,but the Elster tends to be that setup, if everything else is then it’s a simple fit together , if not then it’s not a issue neither , a PLC is what it says it is
HITS
What have the company been doing??, are yiu for reel?, you know how much is entailed with paper work?, EA?, HSE, Contractors, sourcing kit, getting the right contractors on board?, trying to schedule everything together knowing your at the mercy of contractors and suppliers?, then the ground works, foundations, pipe work, list goes on, as it stands they haven’t lied, as they said G2G feb, COR March, so if they it then months then it’s irrelevant of what your saying as they might be able to push cycle forward or pull a few strings etc, look I said let’s see where we are in mud jam I will stick to that before making any negative judgement
9. Flare & Ignition package.
Nothing to stress about that just proving and commissioning that the flare ignites, said this earlier to you,
10. Fuel gas package under overall PLC control.
Over all site commissioning, this is called login and comms between all all individual kit I.e HPC and Elster,
11. Power generation packages for site power and export surplus power to the national electricity grid. They use fuel gas from site.
Very simple piece of kit dose what it says on the tin makes power from gas just like any other generator dose, this is for sure power put they will also have mains power too
12. Electrical switchgear & control systems
Nothing but electrical cables, Signals cables, and networking cables for internet, all ran in at the same time nothing major just running a cable from a to b
13. Piping works linking all systems together.
Same again install all necessary pipe work to pint your what we call a common line, nothing hard on that at all
Civil works excluded, I cannot think of anything else, can you Ress2093?
I in my opinion, we will need about 2 weeks on average for each individual system for installation and commissioning after delivery to site.
After delivery of the last item, I estimate we need about 4 /5 weeks for completion of the piping works and overall commissioning.
Do you agree Ress2003?
To answer the above no, we might only need two days to commissioning a piece of kit, a week to get all the pics working with each other, god I had to replace all the networking cabling only took me two days, theses things happen quick with the right PLC’s in place snd everyone working together, everyone as a job to do snd trust me the people they have on board are at the top of there Industry!!, and I work with Italians snd now that’s a nightmare, everything from aboard!!, we as share holders don’t realise how good it is to have British manufacturers on board!!, will help loads, and to get 12 million is in my option unReal
can see that you are indeed working in this industry. Let’s get an idea of what we have here and see if we can guess how much time we need to put it
together. No I do not agree at all with your comments,,
I do not see a requirement for SCADA system here, is only one small site and operations will be manned. No remote sites. Also, DCS is not warranted, to keep costs down use a PLC for overall control.
Not a chance, how do you think the instrumentation works with out a scada or DCs, this as to be in place one 100 per cent!, and it’s not about cost it’s about optimisation!, and getting everything working a 100 per cent,,
I can see the following systems / subsystems:
1. Overall control & safety system (no DCS, PLC to keep costs down). Use a certified PLC IEC61508 SIL 2/3 certified so that it can also perform the emergency shutdown functions requirements.
All site sites need a Emergency shutdown or what we call a control shutdown,, ALL sites have a PlC regardless!!, and a EBG
2. Fire&Gas detection system, PLC controlled.
This is needed when going into a performance test and reliability test, normally 28 days but we aren’t handing over to a client but ourselfs, but will be needed for insurance reasons and a fire suppression in the control panels and heat and smokes etc
3. Fire protection system(s) - study will define (unknown at present).
Fire risk assessment would of already been done, and when going live then the above would already be in place
4. 1st stage compressor package & controls
Yiu can have first stage and second stage controls are comms and PlC and scada nothing special
5. Dehydration package PLC controlled, own PLC for fast testing installation & commissioning.
Not sure if this is needed as we have condensate pots and Capture control and drain valves, FDS to confirm
6. Joule-Thompson and Dew Point package own PLC controlled for fast testing, installation and commissioning
Part of the GEU, relates to the atmosphere,,
7. 2nd stage compressor package (HPC) & controls.
Not seen anything to suggest a second HPC if so it be a back up and duty assists etc, or it’s only rated to a certain flow so if the side track happens we might need two HPC’s
8. Analyser & Metering Package with own metering PLC.
Told you this is what we call the GEU, grid entry
To carry on
Yanis2005,,
Ress2003, so you will route the gas to the flare stack to check instrumentation.
Three questions:
1) Do you mean that this simulation is done to check all the instrumentation? Including that on the HPC and gas export metering and analysers?
No,, the simulation can be done to check parts of the instrumentation, and like I’ve pointed out, but can be done in away where you can check the GEU or gas analyses, the HPC will be down stream of the GEU and just before the ROV, so if things aren’t in spec then the gas is rejected and what we called Recirculated, then on gas to grid day everyone will be onsite for the HPC and NGN, and when everything is in spec, NGN will open the ROV and the HPC will run, but they will have commissioned the HPC before hand tho,
2) You did say that the flare stack will be rated for this purpose? What would the flare pressure rating be?
I’ve just told you it’s not the flare that’s rated it’s the motor I.e the booster,, it could be millibar, or bar pressure not seen the spec, but we use regulating valves that help with all values of pressure,
3) You are talking about a DCS and PLC. How many PLCs do you recon will be required and where?
You will have one for the site the scada or DCS, that’s what the op’s will be watching and monitoring, the Elster comes with its own plc and scada or DCS, the HPC will have one and a scada or touch screen, all of these will be integrated and what we calls comms between all the bits of kit ,
The instrumentation, valves, flowmeters, flare stack will work of the site scada but there will be set points and HH and LL that will triggers certain set points that all work integrated with each other, if anyone wonts my email address I can send pictures of all of this so you can see for yourself, it sounds really complicated but it’s not, as Elster will work with the main company doing the site PlC and the same with the HPC, it’s just a PLC
Yanis2005,
The flare stack is separate, it will have a vacuum blower or booster, you then have your ignition,, it could be rated to minibar or bar I don’t know not seen the fds, but when we need to flare hence the gas will be what we called rejected to the flare if we can’t go G2G or store the gas, the flare I would think will be the first piece of kit commenced so they can route the gas and check the instrumentation, valves, PRV’s, pressure regulated valves,, TT’s flow meters, and for safety reasons too
Yanis2005
Ress2003, there are quite a few inconsistencies in what your are saying, but let's just take one - you state “The main HPC is what puts the gas to grid, but they could do what we call simulation, so without the HPC they can simulate gas to grid and use the flare stack etc, and flare am sure will be rated to a certain pressure to allow for this”
Would you care to explain how they can do away with the HPC and use the flare stack in a simulation? Also, what would the flare stack be rated at to allow for this? What pressure?
To say there inconsistency with what am saying then first of all please research before saying that,,
Simulation very simple is as what it means, so basically the gas can be routed to the flare stack and burnt off and this allows for checking gas flow meters, instrumentation, any valves or pneumatic valves, checking this on the DCS and seeing the logic and PLC are correct
WG818,,
I’ve just re read it, it says site Civils begins to lay foundations?,
Not foundations have begun?, yiu got to do the ground works first, then the shuttering, then pure the concrete and do sample testing of that to, but also you have all the setting out to do, so I would think that would be a combination of companies doing the Civils
WG818,,
Am sorry I disagree,,
I think it’s a case they have had one company in to do grounds works and the removal of ground works and are looking a different company to do the foundations as it involves shuttering and precise levels etc, so the company doing what we call Civils actually have been doing Civils, and hence they started in the RNS mid December for foundations to start
1) Elster-Honeywell Metering and Analysis skid in early December 2020
This is what I call the GEU and basically the DCS snd where the gas is monitored to prior to the ROV, and shows your CV’s, Wobbie, Grid pressure and other
2) Condensate and water storage tanks in early January 2021
Methane gas is a very wet gas so the condensate pots or storage tanks collect the condensation of the gas and are drained off, you will have these all over the site snd say on the flare or drain points
3) Site power gas fired Caterpillar generator from mid January 2021
This is sounding like what I call a CHP so would assume they are generating there own electricity for the site
4) First Service Compressor and Caterpillar engine in late January/early February 2021
This is the HPC, this allows you to put the required gas and required pressure to grid,
5) Electrical/control housing units 2nd to 3rd week February 2021
This will be for the electrics and Comms and so signals, we call some of this 4 to 20 mill-amp, 230v, 415 v for the site, instrumentation, logic, I think this will also come pre configured and a case of connecting onto,
6) Gas process plant elements commencing mid February 2021
Of course,,
Well if all the times frames are so able then I would say myself March is the month of proper G2G, as they should have what they call a gas to grid day where they open the ROV, but commissioning and optimising instrumentation and kit would be on going as there is always teething problems, but that is all they will be to,, and all the kit is being newly installed so won’t have issues with just been sitting there and building up with condensation or seizing etc so that’s a plus,
The main HPC is what puts the gas to grid, but they could do what we call simulation, so without the HPC they can simulate gas to grid and use the flare stack etc, and flare am sure will be rated to a certain pressure to allow for this, so this in turn allows to see flow rates and see that the instrumentation is working right,
When it comes to the Elster that will be monitored by Honeywell and say academy or who the NGS is,
A lot can be done before the HPC and trust me they will make sure that when it comes to G2G day they are ready as it all as to be booked in with NGS,
From what I’ve read today I can’t see why they can’t achieve what they said in the RNS, but you could get one piece of kit going wrong and need replacing etc so that’s why am saying March,,
The commissioning and instrumentation and the PLC work is where most of the work is getting everything integrated, but I’ve also said am sure that get good tech’s on board, if honest it can all go in very quickly with the right people on board, I had to replace a separator, got it taken out and re installed and realigned in one day!, we used heat and power, but I did mention let’s see what happens in January, then we will know more
So what have they lied about?, the procurement?, or the side track?, or the slippages?, as far as am aware they are keeping us up to date as when they can and also being in a situation that some time is out of there control when it comes to suppliers and contractors?, and if you read my message I did point out that I thought they might not do the side track in January as they might won’t to see how everything is running and working, but could if they choose too, it make sense to me to do the side after the connection to G2G,,
Like I say when you going back under your rock?, soon I hope just a jobs worth you are
I see you haven’t given up with your Constant putting down of this company,,if you are a investor why do you post so much with nothing but negativity?,
If you read my post pretty much what I said with time lines and kits is pretty much what ANGS as announce today,,
The concrete foundations will start first so the company have a few weeks to make sure that’s get the best price for the pipe work, and place a P/O,, what’s the problem with that?,
We all know the project as slipped, so what get over it,, if your a investor surly you’ll be happy that things are moving forward, and we hope that things go to plan and G2G as per the RNS if your not investor all you going to do is say slipped time lines and doing nothing but bash the company,, why not point the good things the RNS?, like the Lindsey projector could turn out to be a valuable asset to the company?, why not point out that all the kit now as ETA?, that foundations are going to start, they have a form of program of works,,
Honestly you are a sad individual, and will say again why not go back under your rock that you came from ,,or had something to this board that adds value