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To many on here your posts sound a bit like, you have at some stage bought a few of these but then suddenly found out you have made one heck of a mistake as they could go bust and cannot / will not sell at a loss. Well that's shares for you, just how much could you loose £5, £50, £500, £5,000, £50,000. who cares just make a call and go with it like others have done.

It sounds like you have a number of hang-ups and you keep going on about what others have done.
WHO CARES what others have done what you have done, but as you keep going on.
I bought debs back when they were 24p then bought more as they were going down, put most of the vog money into sommething else but bought a few more debs at about 11p then bought a lot more below 6p so my ava is about 7p. But nobody cares and why should they. If you are still in vog and lost money or will loose lots of money if and when a placing comes out, that's your loss and who cares.
If you have lost faith in vog you should be directing your comments to vog bod's not other shareholders, just get on and send some emails and ask questions. But if you don't even hold vog shares and have no intention to do so , post elsewhere.

Very sad, you keep going on about where I put my money what I might loose or make just calm down.
All I said was after about 8 years I sold my vog at a big loss and put some moneis elsewhere,
Look no one knows for sure where , how much or how little and no one cares, it's not me going on about it it's you.
You worry about your own money and I will worry about mine, simple.
If your in vog fine, if you sell and make / loose money fine, no one cares but you and that's how the market works, Make your own mind up if you can do that .

If we look at the total business over the last few years they have been very staedy with total rev of about £3b although the profit leve has gone down and down to approx £33m this year.
However they know what the problems have been and are taking actions to sort that out as well as selling off some assets and a new CFO. everyone knows this should be trading at about 35p and has only been taken down by shorters etc . This business should now steady on the on coming of christmas and the sp will be much higher maybe 25p by Jan and then look out for MA who could still get this for 50p.

I might well buy back in here when they hit 15p- 20p with the placing, but with regards to DEBs calm down they are NOT going bust and should be well on their way to recover after Christmas, my ave there is about 7p and if MA puts in a bid of 15p - 20p it will be turned down but might get away at 35p and in that case we will see just how much I will make.

within the last 6 months there has been a major push to get GD out and push up the sp but it failed,
but now we have confirmation that GD is going and Why is the sp not going up.
What is going on with this company, I guess that we now need to wait and find out who will replace him but
Let's just hope we don't get someone new being offered 3m free shares to just sort out the mess GD could have left.

Now I have left comiung ? just so you have something else to come back to me with.

what a bitter and twisted old man you are!.
Why ? I haven't put the blame on anyone apart from me and the vog board.
I have done what I said and sold at a loss. so what.
I and many others including the bod's think and have said they will run out of money and may not be in business in a few months and will need more money, so just when is the new placinbg at what 15p - 20p comiung.?

More lies, if you read my post I said after about 8 years I will sell the lot of vog, which I did and put it in another stock that was already down about 95% and had already raised money to reduce debt etc., and it wasn';t debs.
I also had debs.
If you are going to quote, get it correct.

Just got back from 2 weeks in the sun, like many I needed at least 5 times the sp to get my money back in vog and that is never going to happen, and for all those that think I sold my vog and put it into Debs you are wrong and I never said i did.
I do however hold Debs and even though they have gone down over the last week we all know they are not going bust so I am sitting tight for a few months and then who knows.
So don't disspare on my part vog will shortly come out with the placing for 15p - 20p, then we will see what happens.

So it could well be a plan to get debs cheap, but what is the cheapest it could be 35p- 50p
If and as soon as MA gets 30% maybe in the next few weeks he will have to bid what 35p + and that will be turned down by the bod's so that could start the up trend to maybe 50p.
Debs is not going under they have a 3-5 year safty net by which time we could be 60p-80p again, so if anyone is interested then they have to move in the next few weeks/ months. If they don't Debs will hit 60p- 80p again in the next few years. Relax.

Funny now even our resident positive posters have almost given up supporting the company with positive posts, why is that ?
Nothing they ever say comes true.
I think I might even start shorting this stock as it only has one way to go. 15p -20p

Just sit back and relax the sp will come good in a few weeks, everyone now knows debs is NOT going bust and hasa plan to work things out.
I just think the mm 's are dropping the sp for buyers looking to load up. All just short term.

If other boards are having the same negative posts put on their boards it means there must be many very unhappy investors around, and without the trust of investors vog seem to be up the creek without any placing to lock onto.
Just where do they go without trust.?????????

Goodness, no one wants to buy this share or even comment on it any more,
One could say it’s dead in the water until more news.

Is great news for any small business with a rateable value of £51k or less but what does that mean for large shops like Debs.
Does that mean they have been completely left out assuming they are big enough to withstand the problems.?
Should also inclyde large stores. Anyone know a little more about this.?

I do think November could be the make or break month,.
If vog have been waiting for the elections to be done before any new eneo contract is re-newed, that is now taken out of the problem , unless of cause there is another reason holding it back but then we will not find that out until later but if the new contract is not in the bag by end Novemebr I think vog can forget about it completely.
Then it's all about cash and raising money by a placing at say 20p in the next few weeks.
Could all be very interesting.

So still shorting ,
2019 annual turnover of about £1.9bn (from £2.3bn today).
If you look at the rns isn't current turnover £2.9bn, so your saying we are going to drop / lose about £1bn turnover in 1 year. ?

Thank you again for your NO view, you can never give any real answers to questions asked on this board you simply sit on the fence and spew out a few lines printed in some rns’s which have in most cases all been proved incorrect and detrimental to all shareholders.
Unfortunately you haven’t been proved right on anything that has taken place over the last few years, so we could say you have been proved wrong and on the basis why anyone on here would think that your views will be any better.
Unless of cause you can prove anything in black and white your views are worth diddly squat.

I bow to your superior knowledge on these things, so are you saying and G/Teeing there will be NO more dilution in the next 6 months.YES OR NO simple.
How just how do you justify your reply. yes or no ?