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For someone to say they are not in yet after all the positive support and buying over the last many years, it must mean you have sold all and that must mean you have lost money because you must have held and bought at a much higher price.
Don't tell us that at last you have seen the writing on the wall and got out quick.
Or have you been telling everyone lies in the past by saying you were a big holder.

You must be a re-moaner ,
I thought it wouldn’t be long before Brexit was brought into this,
What’s that got to do with £ vs $
If we look at the rate
£ vs $ in Jan 14 it was 1.7 to £
In June 15 “ 1.57 to £
In May 16 “ 1.44 to £
In April 18 “ 1. 40 to £
So over that time it has gone down due to bad competitiveness and interest rates etc.
So pfd sp has nothing to do with interest rates although it might help with some payments.
PFD is worth what anyone wants to pay, so bring on a NO deal and we will trade on WTO rates but as long as we improve our efficiency the sp should go up.

What ever happens to pfd or Ambrosia on product /company sales it's got to be better than the current set-up where nothing is happening and the sp has been around 40p for a year.
Could start a bidding war for Ambrosia and price could go to £150m + or start a bidding war for pfd in total.
If nothing has been done by end of Jan when GD goes we might then have another review when / if we get another CEO and it all drag on for another year.
Please someone bid 75p and put us all to rest.

I think some may be getting carried away with sales forcasts, after watching Buther the boss talk, I am sure he said about 4 times normal Friday sales and not 4 times last years black Friday sales.
Guess we will find out at some point.

Yes , great article in the Mail today about this.
Ambrosia could fetch £100m but it could start some bids for the whole company in my view, Nissin could buy all of pfd and then sell off the Ambrosia part and other parts of the company giving them Batchelors for almost nothing if they are quick. I guess any sale for £100m+ will go to pay down our £500m debt which will also be great news.
Let's see some 75p + bids for all of pfd within the next few weeks, then I will be happy.

After Bucher came out talking up the positive I think it's clear now that deb is NOT going bust and will still be here in the years to come, so if MA is ever going to bid for Debs he might as well bid now while he has the chance to get this for 25p- 50p.
It looks very much that he will not be able to buy it out of admin because it will not go into admin and by next March ish it could be 25p+, he he will have to pay a lot more or lose debs al together.

That could be good news then because I am sure that vog have been waiting to get this contract signed before they announce the new share placing.
Who in their right mind would invest any more money into vog without the knowledge that there would be another contract for eneo, otherwise you would be just throwing your money away. Now we will find out if the placing is going to be 10p -15p - 20p and for how many billions of shares.

Here we go again another fantasy shareholder, I thought we established months ago that you don’t hold any shares but you keep coming on here saying the world is coming to an end and everyone is doomed.
I think you just like seeing you name up in lights because no one believes a word you spout on about, half the time you post about things you have no idea on and why waste your time when you don’t hold any shares.
I thought dbes was going under months ago, well they are still here and going to have a great christmas.

First don't worry about debs it never going bust.
Now vog, we all know vog cannot last long without more moneyeven the bod's have said they will probably need to raise more. After 8 years of promises and gas sales targets of 40 mm scuffs where are we now about 4mmscuffs sales are back where we were about 3 years ago. we were meant to have some 40- 60 customers waiting to sign up where are they ?
. whatever gas sales income we get it's split with gryn, we are NOT making any profit and still NO eneo contracts infact the bod's have now said they are trying to take the business down a different route to find sales.
IMO this stock is only worth 10p -15p if we can get a new eneo contract but without that contract this stock is dead in the water, and then I might consider buying back in, so my aim is to get this sp down to 10p-15p where is should
be. what's wrong with that.

I always feel better about the long term future of a company when I see very larg buying /support from the directors in a placing, which they did.
And it's great to feel positive about things rather then negative all the time.

So what is it now 3 months since Foo said the new eneo contract would be in in 2 weeks ish , and even the elections have long past.
If this is such a great long term bet why hasn't the bod's bought any more shares at this silly price, Oh why would they when they can pick up many more at a placing price of 15p - 20p which is coming soon. That is if the company sp last that long because at this rate it will be 15p - 20p before the announce the placing.

The company has already said months ago that they were in discussions with some of their landlords about reducing rents,it takes time but if they can come to some agreements with some of their landlords about reducing some rents then they will NOT need to go into any cva.
We still have these cost reductions to come through as well as some asset sales which they said they were also working on.

So why are they going to be dire,
They made a loss in the last 6 months due to write downs etc.
They have made plans to improve things.
They have raised money to reduce debt.
so after tax loss of £205.8 million (2017: £0.5 million loss(3)) reflecting £226.8 million of exceptional costs of principally non-cash exceptional charges for goodwill, intangible and tangible asset impairments (H1 2017: Operational progress:
The Group has made significant progress in building back industry expertise and staffing levels in its Sales and Lettings and Financial Services businesses. The register of properties is up 3% year on year at 30 June 2018 and the pipeline has improved by £12.7 million since 31 December 2017 compared with £11.5 million in the same period last year. The Group has also completed the reduction of central functions headcount by a third, which has funded the build back of staff in Sales and Lettings£2.7 million).Â
OUTLOOK
The Group has made significant progress in building back industry expertise and staffing levels in Sales and Lettings and in building back the register of properties and pipeline of agreed sales. The Group expects to make continued operational progress in the second half of the year, which, combined with the traditionally stronger second half in our B2B and Financial Services operating segments, means the Group expects the full year to be in line with the Board's expectations
On 2 August 2018, the Company announced details of a proposed Firm Placing and Placing and Open Offer (the "Issue") to raise gross proceeds of £140 million, approximately £111.4 million by way of a Firm Placing of 1,114,419,568 Firm Placing Shares and approximately £28.6 million by way of a Placing and Open Offer of 285,580,431 Open Offer Shares, in each case at an Issue Price of 10 pence per New Ordinary Share.

Feb Numbers could be much better.!!!!!!

Goodness this company is getting foot really on the cheap isn't it.
It's about time the sp started going back up to 80p ish and that's still cheap.

With all that's been going on in retail, all the other departments stores troubles and Debs making changes with cost savings etc it's all pointing to be a very good and best ever Christmas for Debs with increased profits to match.

Even if debs goes down the cva route they can do that without going into admin, just like Carpet right and Mothercare
which are now trading ok and without the higher costs.

Even if dbes goes down the cva route they can do that without going into admin, just like Carpet right and Mothercare
which are now trading ok and without the higher costs.

Goodness another shorter coming on here trying make a few pounds in the hope of pushing down the spa little more.Come on just when have the banks / accountants said even hinted about going to admin. Just more lies.
We all know this is NOT going ust and will be 15p -20p after Christmas.

Good morning, I notice that although you may have followed the workings of vog for a while you only can on board this November at as you say 25p.
But you seem to have come on board with almost 100% positivity and blind-sight that this can only go up, I hope for your sake you are correct but many long termers for say 5-8 years might not agree.
Are you an investor by buying say 1,000 shares or a real investor by buying 100,000 – 200,000 £25k. £50k, come on have you put your money where your mouth is ??????????

You are 100% correct on that and I thank you for it, I lost control of my finger and my post that was very loose.