'Central Bank meddling and the continual counterfeiting of money will only distort fragile Global financial markets further.'
I don't disagree that there is an element of influence on the markets. However, we would have riots on our streets if some drastic steps were not taken.
FED Chair Powell has shown pro activeness by flooding the market. On the contrary the ECB and BOE have been reactive due to a different set of problems such as BREXIT at our end.
In one of the press conference Powell did mention that the majority of currency created was digital. Naturally this digital money got easily parked into the Financial Markets.
However, for this money to get into wider economy takes at least another 3 to 6 months.
The global coordination of liquidity was done to ensure not to repeat the mistakes of 2008 when the flow of credit got cut off.
However, like in 2008 this is not going to stop from businesses going under and debt defaults increasing. On top of this toxic combination we have:
- loss of productivity due to lock down and supply chain disruption
- loss of business confidence
In my opinion we will still see a credit crunch sometime in Q4 or Q1 of next year once the impact of the Pandemic are widely known.
We might have a vaccine for COVID19 to ensure normality but there is no vaccine to bring normality back instantaneously into Credit disruptions, insolvency and lack of business confidence.
'Do you think we will get another crash to the same level as March, the covid 19 hasn’t gone away, companies can’t trade as before ______'
The S&P 500 came down from 3300 to 2200 (drop of 1100 points) in March2020. This has now again gone back to 3200 due to massive liquidity injected by the FED into the wider economy.
In my opinion the markets will not go down anywhere near to previous lows in terms of numbers. However, they would go below previous lows in terms of real value. The reasons are as follows:
- US elections will ensure that Markets won't go anywhere near those lows
- US economy will bounce back much faster and stronger than any other world economies thereby strengthening the dollar
- The FED and the administration will ensure the dollar strength is kept in check. This is because a very strong dollar will hurt the stock market. In addition to this the reopened economies will increase the dollar strength due to demand to purchase oil, commodities, etc
- Expect more dollar printing to continue which will cushion any stock market falls
The current rally has ensured that the promoters, institutions can dilute their holdings to a manageable level. The latest statistics also reveals that FED has tapered off it's purchases enabling the market players to run the show. Therefore, FED at least for now has lot of ammunition left to support the markets in case of a downturn.
The challenge for FED is to how to strengthen the dollar if the global demand for USD tapers off due to lower demand with a toxic combination of 20T plus printing. If the FED fails to keep a strong dollar than markets and commodities will shoot up to unbelievable highs.
I am only analyzing US market because rest of the global markets are followers.
In my opinion the deciding factor to sell your rural house in France is dependent on individual preference. In a rural area the demand supply fluctuations are relatively small therefore the impact on price will also be minimal. Historically a round of QE such as the latest one inflates assets such as housing.
The above video is very nice and informative.
However, my intention of starting this thread was to get a feel of a consensus on asset allocation within our esteemed board members.
The reason why food or any product in UK is overpriced is because of exorbitant taxes.
The restaurant owners are known to cut corners because there is very little left after paying for:
- Premise rent
- Business rates
- Licensing fees
Let's take another example how can a Laptop costing $999 in USA is priced at £999 in UK when
1 GBP = 1.2669 in dollar terms?
This all again comes back to House price inflation and we can keep talking about this until the cows come home. Increased Housing supply is not going to solve the problem if we do not address the demand aspect combined with the associated housing reforms requirements and tax changes.
The problem we have had is numerous people with academic / bookish knowledge in governance have taken incorrect decisions. There actions have been detrimental to the society with no repercussions on the individuals.
Just to name a few examples:
- Over the course of three years, a chancellor sold 401 tons of gold from the Treasury's total of 716 tons at an average price of $275 an ounce. Today's price is $1688 an ounce and no process followed at the point of making such a decision other than in the name of diversification.
- another Chancellor increased Stamp duty on investment homes stating it will cool the market. If there are no transactions how much more revenue has been collected by the additional 3% surcharge? Yes, I shall give 0.25% for cooling the market.
- In the name of Austerity lot of tax exemptions were removed and welfare benefits were cut.
- A PM called for a referendum without having a plan B and upon defeat decided to run away from the problem for someone else to take care of it. This not only created confusion and chaos but also undermined our character as a nation.
- Another PM whose heart was to remain in EU was asked to negotiate BREXIT. It was like somebody sitting in a Vegetarian only restaurant and ordering a Chicken dish for a meal. However, the person did not want to leave the restaurant because either was hungry or it was against their principles to walk out.
I remember somebody telling me once that a Government is always there to extract maximum out of people with minimum input to the welfare of the people. The Elite rich never pay more taxes as they can afford tax consultants who can legitimately reduce taxes. These very tax consultants are usually the policy advisors to the Government.It is the common man or the salaried person who ends up paying more taxes.
Kindly accept my apologies for any misunderstanding.
When I stated 'a privileged situation' what I meant was being in an advantageous situation. It was just a general opinion of many people that a person who has a roof over his head is at an advantageous situation.
'Most here will own their own homes'
It is always good to be in such a privileged situation.
The other side of the coin is that the not too good schemes such as Help to Buy or Shared equity. These schemes were mostly made to support the builders and were marketed as supporting the First time buyers.
Below is an extract of one of the schemes
' With a Help to Buy: Equity Loan the Government lends you up to 20% of the cost of your newly built home, so you’ll only need a 5% cash deposit and a 75% mortgage to make up the rest.'
Are we not putting the first time buyers into a vulnerable situation by allowing them to own a home? How many of these vulnerable buyers would survive a 15% prolonged correction (which is normal in any asset class) in housing ?
Is there a one good reason why people should be allowed to take more debt with so little equity? Should you allow somebody to start running even before they can start to walk?
This is just one example of distorting the asset pricing by siding with the elite class such as Builders. Land developers,etc.
Today we are in such a situation that we cannot allow either the Housing market nor the stock market to come down. The reason for this is all our pensions, ISA, Investments and Govt debts are so much dependent on these markets that just a sneeze puts jitters in our society.
This has led to global institutions busy in reinflating the assets at any cost.
'prior to Blair property never moved for 10 - 12yrs'
I slightly disagree as it was moving in relation to the economy.
Regrettably post 1997 we have had terrible Housing decisions made by subsequent chancellors.
The Key person (Teachers, Health and Fire Service) Housing assistance combined with relaxed immigration distorted the housing market. BTW how many of these Key person are still around in the same profession is questionable?
It was a toxic mix of above factor with 100% mortgages led to Housing sector being used as a cash point. This led to also an extensive increase in 2nd homes, Buy to let market with almost no limit lending.
Banks were willing to lend because the house values were being artificially increased by the above policies. Additionally the Banks never kept mortgages on their books by packaging and selling it to global audience under the disguise of derivatives.
Packaged derivatives was the major cause of 2008 crisis which the global Govt and Bankers mis-led people as 'Credit Crunch' and took us on the path of QE. Even today the packaged derivative mess is still lingering in the background as nobody exactly knows how much is in circulation. This mess has been kept under the blankets by huge amounts of QE which has stopped the bleeding but has not healed the wound.
Another well known example is the introduction of REITS which is another form of derivative. Even in the latest COVID 19 crisis the chancellor had to suspend the housing market transactions to stop REITS redemptions. The reason is simple if you can't value the underpinned instrument(Housing) of REITS you cannot arrive at a NAV or an exit price.
The above are just a tip of the iceberg and I can go on and on with numerous examples. The problem we have is that the Govt needs to take some tough decisions on Housing which will not be people friendly especially the elite class. However, I don't think anybody in governance will ever have the appetite to take tough decisions.
In my opinion our housing problem cannot be solved by:
- By building more housing ( we don't make land anymore so it is in limited supply)
- Converting Green belt ( will not assist unless businesses relocate)
- Converting houses into block of flats ( Vicious cycle as quality of life decreases and more pressure on essential and basic services)
- Leasehold reforms by capping management or Ground rent fees are required ( Cash generating machine with minimal investment)
- Immigration cap is essential to lower the demand for housing ( COVID 19 lock down has shown us that businesses can sustain even from a distance.
- Tax loopholes need to be plugged
- Interest only Mortgages should be banned
- Long dated Mortgage terms (5/10/20 years) are required to stabilize the price escalation
Increased Housing supply is not going to solve the problem if we do not address the demand aspect and the associated housing reforms requirements.
Only one word for all this is 'Shambles'.
I thought Brexit was enough but now a big laundry list:
- Payment holiday scam
- Buy to let scam
- BREXIT negotiations
- Unlimited QE
Wondering why is FTSE at 6484 unless there is an anticipation of a sterling devaluation?
'Keeping it simple, buy low, sell high, question anything which seems to make you want to do otherwise.'
Fully agree with the above - always book profits and keep some powder dry to accumulate at lower levels.
We should always remember that the markets take Stairs while going up but take elevators whilst coming down.
Please accept my apologies in advance for digressing from the main topic of Lloyds share.
Recently one of my far east acquaintance suggested me to respond to some of the discussions floating around in their neck of the woods.
1. Then do you think Corona is dangerous?
Yes, everything has a velocity and the speed of infection is phenomenal.
2. Is the purpose of the media campaign to settle the trade war between China and America?
Maybe, but it is a overall loss situation.
3. Is it to artificially reduce financial markets to prepare the stage for mergers and acquisitions?
Mergers & acquisitions don't need reduction of financial markets as they are based on valuations at the point of purchase. What is undervalued for somebody, might be over valued for someone else.
4. Is this all to sell US Treasury bonds to cover the fiscal deficit in them
As long as the universal trade such as oil, gold, etc are traded in US dollars there will be no need to worry about US fiscal deficit. Any amount of US dollars printed will all get consumed by rest of the world to purchase these commodities.
5. Is this Panic created by Pharma companies to sell their products like sanitizer, masks, medicine etc.
No, there has been a squeeze due to demand supply mismatch. This happens in every market so nothing new.
If you’re anything like me, you’re probably all waiting anxiously to resume your life as normal.
But as any student of history will tell you, there’s no going back from something like this.
In fact, a look at the past suggests that once this is over…the financial world will become even more fragile and unstable.
That’s not because of the virus itself, but because of the extraordinary actions states around the world have taken to fight it.
Governments acted to bail out the world economy. In doing so, they had to destroy the old financial system… and create a new one.
It’s a little-known side of the Great Depression. Most people only understand the Depression in very general terms: the crash, the banking failures, unemployment, strike action, the rise of the Nazis, the Second World War.
Please ask yourself the following even if it’s true that Corona is fake, media hyped and manipulated by the trade wars.
Can things really go back to “normal” after this?
Can things really go back to the way they were?
Can we really expect no CONSEQUENCES of what we’re seeing?
Congrats to those who made money in the latest leg up.
In my opinion the worst is still not behind us in terms of economy, unemployment or even bailouts. The only reason I see this coming up this much is due to the Central bank guarantees, QE or a potential takeover bid which we are unaware of. The QE does not heal the wound but only stops the bleeding to ensure less fatalities.
The bottom line is
'Banks don't make money by holding them but only by distributing in the wider economy and earning a return on it.'
Similarly asset valuation means very little if you do not have an ROI and a reasonable velocity of money. It's like sitting in your car idling without putting the car in drive mode.
Being asset rich and cash poor can not bring economic growth to support these share prices.
I totally agree with the Lloyds operations being a mess. The IT consultancy companies are milking it for years without improving the operational efficiency. Lloyds do have some obsolete assets of Halifax, BOS,etc which nobody knows the correct value.
It's similar to NHS wasting £400 million on an IT platform which never took off.
Stock market is all about patience.
What goes up comes down and vice versa what comes down does go up.
There is a big resistance for Lloyds at 31.93 and a gap fill to be be completed around 27p.
The current market is a trader's market and not an investor market. In a trader's market you need to get in and out quickly.
I would be a very rich man if I knew what is round the corner in terms of markets.
Good luck with your investing.
In my opinion LLoyds is better around 27 ish.
Lloyds is more diversified and so better to mitigate economic shocks. Post BREXIT Lloyds is a ripe candidate for takeover.
Your initial input cost is higher for Aviva(250p) and the near term margin squeeze would be there due to economic downtrend.
If dividend is the only criteria than Aviva might be better for the next 2 years.