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buddleatree
What are you ranting about?

Lokiloo
You posted your list of positives on remaining in the EU.
I replied and shot every one of them down and you vanished for a while, re-send your list.
I sent you my list of positives off leaving and you vanished.
There is no further point in trying to discuss anything with you, you are either mentally unstable or a wind-up merchant, as well as being very boring. May I ask how much of your beloved EU you have ever been to?
I did ask also if you are anti-wealth or just anti-tory, if you are anti-wealth you should not be investing in the capitalist system. Your obsession with the Tories could have a deeper psychological base, Tony Blair's anti-Tory complex came from the fact that his father was rejected by the party to stand as a Tory MP, not many know that!
His lying wife said she was a poor Liverpool lass when she came from a somewhat middle-class home further along the coast from Liverpool.
There would be pros and cons in leaving any relationship, if Scotland left the UK likewise there would be pros and cons.
Now try and act your age, even if it is very difficult.

Gate13boy
Starmer changes his mind depending on which day it is.
June 2016. Vote against Brexit
Sept2016. Appointed shadow Brexit secretary.
June 2017. Vows to honour the referendum result.
Feb 2018. Contradicts Corbyn and says Brexit can be stopped.
Feb 2019. Says remain must be a choice on any second referendum.
Oct 2019. Emails supporters calling for them to demand a second referendum.
May 2020. Tells remainers that the Brexit debate is over.
I wonder if he changes his underpants as often?
Those remainer die-hards never mention that their poster boy Corbyn, was anti- EU, but just too scared to come out and say it.

minniethemouse
Brexit obsession is not good
We were in the EU when Gordon Brown trashed the private pension schemes and took £5 billion per year, at the then prices.
We were in the EU when a certain Ex-Labour, filthy rich East European immigrant stole his employee's pensions, can you name him? He received the equivalent of a state funeral in Israel and it raised a few eyebrows.

gazzleberry
As I was born into a typical working-class Labour voting family I saw and recognised what kept most of my extended family and those around me in their place, and in societies pecking order, themselves, harsh but true.
I had political conversations with my father as a young man, I remember telling him that to break the cycle of what he complained about all his life, someone had to make the first move, just voting Labour never made anyone rich!
Most people will not try and improve themselves because it takes effort, simple fact of life.

Gazzleberry
On the state of the EU's downward trajectory, why do Europhiles on this board never mention that both this country and the EU are facing a loss of trade?
They never mention the jobs shortages in the EU and numerous other countries, the food banks, and the homeless in the EU and elsewhere. It is always if only we had stayed in the EU all would be wonderful, forgetting the past downturns and recessions we and they went through when we were in the block.
if anyone wants a serious discussion on the merits of staying or leaving just regurgitating the same short list of topics gets us nowhere.
As the argument, they keep bringing up the on voting percentages that leave won by, as I have asked if Scotland had won its leave referendum by 1 point would it count, would you agree that it did? I would.
On Jesus, he was not a capitalist of his day I would argue, how wealthy socialists square that point I do not know, and the same for our wealthy churches. And there will always be poor, something perhaps socialists should recognise, some poor bring it on themselves.

Gazzleberry.
No, I did not go off a tangent, as usual, the person in question can not make a post without mentioning the EU/Brexit/Tories, it has a physiological problem,
It mentions Brexit, So pointed out several questions I could ask!
One question I would ask a person any person who wanted to stay in the EU would be was Gordon Brown right to keep us out of the Euro, Blair wanted in, he wanted to be the FIRST president of the EU so bad he would sign us up to anything.
I think I also asked what he thought of the EU and its shrinking amount of world trade and the present state of the Euro.
As usual, no comment which is par for the course with two or three posters on this board.
PS I think I also mentioned whether it was just the Tories it, hated or wealth because it would make an interesting philosophical discussion. the extract from the bible about the eye of a needle and a camel always comes into mind, when dealing with wealthy socialists. I consider that Jesus should rank as the first true socialist.

Hollybean
Quote "it's coming falky, it's coming" end quote
Do remember children could be reading this and I for one do not wish to know what you and falky do in your private lives.

minniethemouse
Either grow up or move on.
I do not think you are invested in this or any other share.
I will not ask you to comment on the plight of the Euro or the decrease in EUs manufacturing and its steady and unstoppable decline in world trade.
I will not ask you your thoughts on Gordon Brown stopping our entry into the Euro!
I will not ask you for your opinion on Gordon Brown's stealth taxes.
I will not ask you if you think Gordon Brown's use of the PFI scheme to fund hospitals was a good idea.
There are many more questions that I will not ask you, but I may think out loud!

Brixton.
Was some law not passed a few years ago, demanding that Swiss banks had to identify whom had what in their banks, no more secrecy? Not being able to hide and launder money, must have hit the bottom line as HSBC found out.

Theosus
Does anyone know how many of those supposedly highly intelligent refugees, that Merkel invited into Germany are after several years are now working?

LuckyLuciano
Regarding your post at 11.38.
Most people who wanted to break with the EU were fed up with the importation, which was admitted later, of cheap labour, which affected those in the lower income bracket directly.
After leaving politics Jack Straw admitted that letting in millions of East Europeans was wrong! so those expressing reservations were actually correct. As was the elderly lady a Mrs Duffy ( if I remember correctly) who asked Gordon Brown directly on the subject. He could not answer, was caught in a trap of his own parties' making, and was later found out to have called the lady a bigot, to which he had to run back the next day to apologise.
Cameron did not get what he asked from the EU on freedom of movement the queen of the EU Frau Merkel, who had to be obeyed rejected any leeway.

Theosus
Have you or any others noticed how only people from an immigrant background can get away with passing comments such as Braverman or Huq did last week on people from the same background or is it just me?

Gazzleberry
Do any politicians know the meaning of loyalty, will Starmer and Corbyn be exchanging Xmas cards this year?
Loyalty is not just to another MP but also to the electorate, they all forget that.

Wenglishboy.
So very correct, but if you attempt to instill what you have said to the general mass of the public, they look at you with glazed eyes, they are not interested, easier to take the route of least resistance.

machiismo
I do not defend the Tories, so you can tell me.
Who are the unelected ideological zealots running the Tory party?
So here goes give me the names (fourth time of asking) of who in the Labour party would you put forward to form a heavyweight Labour government, to lead the country into prosperity?
Or you can do as your manager suggests (gazzleberry) and stay silent and deflect questions, which would expose you to being a very lightweight poster. You can not even attempt to back up your own remarks!

Gazzleberry
machissmo said that the Tory government was full of lightweights, to which I agree, so I assumed the Labour party had some heavyweights as anyone would, from such a remark.
I asked him three times for the names of his heavyweight Labour MPs three times silence.
You now encourage him to stay silent, tells me a lot about you.

hardup
If Scotland went independent then they could have a Scottish Labour party, but it would not send MPs to London, it could send them to Timbuktu but not London!

Epro.
The pound now has nothing to do with Brexit we left the EU. Get over it, Americans could harp on about the war of Independence and 1776, in relation to the pound /dollar, grow up stop being juvenile.
But if the pound was today in parity with the dollar as the Euro is you would have something to say. Why is the Euro not doing well against the dollar, it is a simple question with a simple reply? Why is the EU's share of world trade declining if it is such a dynamic trade block that is the real worry for the EU.

Gazzleberry
KK is a politician and as all politicians do, he will think of himself as being more intelligent and one step in front of the rest, if he turns out to be the scapegoat tough. If Truss can fool him he must be an idiot, remember she is a turncoat on the Liberals, and her pro-EU remain credentials! There is a saying "get it in writing" if his boss told him to do anything he should have got it in ink, I always covered my back by getting it in writing, and sometimes it was a good job! but unlike KK I don't have a degree in history.