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Gravitas: Wuhan CoronaVirus | Pictures that China doesn't want you to see | World News|Corona Update

Has China defeated the coronavirus? Is Beijing reporting the right numbers? China says it has the coronavirus outbreak under control. But several reports tell a different tale. In Wuhan, clashes broke out after the restrictions were lifted.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_gUM8rL-Lrg6O3adPW9K1g

Is this the source of the Coronavirus?

Video titled :-
I found the source of the outbreak
https://www.youtu.be/bpQFCcS10pU

Posted by Awax on the LLOY bb today :-

Friend or foe?
The corona Virus travelled entire world from Wuhan but it did not reach Beijing and Shanghai... can anybody put light?
Looks So Logical....After all Chinese Stock Market didn't crash....American and European Markets did....
Destroy other markets and be ready to capture them in every way
How to dominate the world quickly?
On his visit to the effected areas China's President Xi Jinping...just wore a simple RM1 facemask. As President he should be covered from head to toe.....but it was not the case. He was already injected to resist any harm from the virus....that means a cure was already in place before the virus was released.
Just a theory.....
Create a virus and the antidote.
Spread the virus.
A demonstration of efficiency, building hospitals in a few days. After all, you were already prepared, with the projects, ordering the equipment, hiring the labour, the water and sewage network, the prefabricated building materials and stocked in an impressive volume.
Cause chaos in the world, starting with Europe.
Stop production lines in factories in other countries.
Cause stock markets to fall and buy assets at a bargain price.
Quickly control the epidemic in your country. After all, you were already prepared.
Lower the price of commodities, including the price of oil you buy on a large scale.
Get back to producing quickly while the world is at a standstill. Buy what you negotiated cheaply in the crisis and sell more expensive what is lacking in countries that have paralyzed their industries.
But I'm guessing they are not the only ones who 'manipulate' the market

Posted by Theosus on the LLOY bb today :-

Awax
I wouldn't rule out any scenario.
I recall on meet the author they had David Baldacci. He said to the interviewer he was working on a book but wondered if it was too far fetched. So he spoke to a guy he need in Govt security. His message was unambiguous and chilling. He said.
" If you have thought of it , its never too far fetched as probably someone has already done it"

LEFKOSIA - We're stuck with what we've got, so yes we need to stay home and isolate, using measures to reduce the chances of infection. However, that doesn't mean we should refrain from posting about how countries like Taiwan are handling the crisis in a far better way. If the German is proved right, and it's far too early to say yet, it will mean that people who have to wait for routine cancer treatments, heart bypasses, stents etc will die on waiting lists due to the increased waiting times. My brother has had two operations in the last year through cancer, both within weeks of scans, but after last week's scan was told that he can add an extra year to the wait, if an operation is required. There will also be increased numbers of deaths due to alcohol, drugs and suicide from people with money problems due to this crisis. I'm out of work through this crisis as I'm self-employed and I've spent days trying to contact my bank without any luck (one call lasted 3 hours 39 minutes on hold, and then they closed). In branch they tell you that they can't process a payment holiday on loans as it has to be done over the phone with the specialist team. I was the only customer in the bank yesterday and four members of staff were visible, with no customers to serve. This type of situation with the banks will push some people who are already feeling desperate into drink, drugs and suicide. IMHO there will be a spike in the number of deaths after the COVID-19 pandemic due to these increased wait times and mental health issues.

Posted by Looed on the FRR bb earlier today :-

MadP - thanks for sharing.

Funny you mention the WHO as I was thinking of sharing an article on Taiwan and the WHO.

Taiwan is denied membership of the WHO as most governments and global bodies do not recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state. So Taiwan had to adopt a 'go-it-alone' approach. Taiwan did try to alert the WHO about a new human to human virus end Dec '19 but Mainland China denied such a virus existed. The WHO took no action and the world lost about 3 weeks until China finally revealed news on the virus. You can read more here - https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3904054

In that crucial 3 week period Taiwan halted flights from parts of Mainland China and monitored visitors from affected regions. Though Taiwan was one of the first places to be infected outside of the Mainland, to date there are 230 cases and 2 deaths. There has been a large increase in the past 10 days or so as many people return from overseas carrying the virus with them, so that number is likely to increase.

The treatment of Taiwan by the WHO has resulted in a petition to remove the head of the WHO and include Taiwan which has so far received over 500,000 signatures - https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3904702 It won't happen, but many countries do now look to Taiwan (and Singapore) for ideas and guidance.

Taiwan recently donated 100,00 face masks pert week to the USA. China bitterly complained, claiming that acceptance of these masks would spark a diplomatic crisis as this would imply Taiwan existed and would be an "affront to the Motherland". They urge the USA not to accept the medical supplies. https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3904112

Surely the WHO should have been implementing procedures like those in Taiwan around the world. Those procedures would reduce the chances of a pandemic and the subsequent economic fallout. There have been other warnings since SARS, with MERS, Swine Flu, Bird Flu and Ebola, yet most of the world with the exception of a few countries in the Far East seem ill prepared.

IMHO Taiwan is far better prepared for COVID-19 due to their experience of the SARS virus 17 years ago.

Posted by RogerA on the FRR bb yesterday :-

Unfortunately masks are not widely available. My wife is a community nurse and there are no masks for her. Diabilical!

Posted by Looed on the FRR bb yesterday :-

RogerA - agree that is not good. I don't know if its happened elsewhere, but here the Govt nationalised face mask production to prevent hoarding, price hikes and to ensure front line staff as well as those most in need could get access. Doctors, nurses, the young and the infirm get unlimited access to masks. The rest of us can buy 5 masks a week at about 13 pence a mask. The day we can buy depends on the last digit of our ID card. There is a national database to ensure we only buy up to our weekly ration. It's not a direct comparison but its as though the Govt took over the pharmacy at Boots and made them mask distribution points. We have an app that shows real time stock levels at each "Boots" so you don't waste time going to pharmacies that don't have stock. Last week they launched online sales so we can order in advance and pick up from the local convenience store (if anyone has ever been to Taiwan or Japan you will know there is a 7-11 type store on every street corner.). They hope this means they can better plan mask production and be able to start exporting overseas as Taiwan was the worlds 2nd largest supplier of face masks. I really hope some can make it to the UK as soon as possible.

Posted by Looed on the FRR bb earlier today :-

I am not sure if the UK has a similar body, but here all policy, daily press conferences, updates on numbers etc are handled by The CECC (Central Epidemic Command Center). Our two political parties who would traditionally be attacking each other on policy have ceased bickering and let the CECC be front and centre on medical matters. CECC daily updates tend to be clear and concise i.e. https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/pqRXxBZDUwUzwGLYDkxk3g?typeid=158

The National / Local Govt make announcements relating to economic and legal matters surrounding the virus, leaving medical matters to the experts.

Posted by Looed on the FRR bb yesterday :-

I was in the UK last week and now in mandatory quarantine now that I am back in Asia . I felt I lived CV twice - I was in Asia when it first hit and then in the UK when things started to accelerate.

The day before I flew to the UK I went to a department store to buy some bread from the in-house supermarket. To enter, I had to attend the hand sanitation station and then pass the thermal body heat reader. There where zero checks when I landed in London. Even the folks at passport control weren't wearing gloves. When I left there I saw a few new signs in the airport pointing to the toilets so you could wash your hands.

Before I left the UK I pre-applied for quarantine which means I allow the authorities to geo-lock my phone so they can track my movements. Its an immediate 30,000 pound fine if you break quarantine. On landing I got a QR code so I could fast-track formalities. I was given a daily health record sheet, sprayed head to toe, luggage included, in alcohol spray so I can take a quarantine taxi (that gets sterilised between each journey) to go home. There are currently about 40,000 people in various stages of quarantine here, but we are all called at least once a day to check we are OK and ask if any symptoms etc. Counsellors are available at any time for those struggling with the mental effects of quarantine. Any one with symptoms is immediately taken to hospital for testing. This system means that there hasn't been (to date) any lockdown / social distancing measures and life goes on pretty much as normal. We know if the numbers of infected increase, or if we have community outbreak, that might change. Almost all recent cases are imported, especially from Europe, which is why I need to quarantine.

The Govt here say they have been preparing for this for 17 years after the devastation caused by SARS, so they have been very quick to act and very clear on messaging. I was living in HKG during the SARS crisis and I recall it as more scary than this. I hope the UK can cherry-pick what is working in other parts of the world as it develops it policies and practices.

I usually get back to the UK around March / April and September / October - always the time for colds, flu's, allergies etc. I really noticed this time how ordinary it is for us to cough / sneeze / splutter into the air. One guy coughed right in my face - not on purpose, we just crossed each other as he coughed. I did see a couple of people wearing face masks in a city I visited, and I estimate about 10% of the people at the airport had a mask on as I left. Wearing face masks has been common practice in Asia for many years and I did wonder if the UK might move to ask people who have colds etc to wear masks to prevent the spread of germs to the elderly, infirm etc. who are vulnerable to CV and other life threatening illnesses.

Posted by john46 on the LLOY bb yesterday :-

Boomer,

In Germany Goebbles lives on in Gov , they're now telling us cv death rate has increased 4 fold ( that's 400% for non cv believers ) from .1% to .4% of victims . Something not right with their stats .

"But that means the German death rate is still around 0.4 per cent - the lowest of any of the 10 countries that have been hardest hit by the virus. Italy's death rate is 9 per cent, while the UK's is 5.3 per cent.

The figure has baffled scientists since Germany has a higher proportion of elderly people than the UK, and Italians have generally healthier lifestyles than their German counterparts. "

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146125/Coronavirus-cases-deaths-rise-Germany-death-rate-stays-low.html

Following your ramblings , I assume you have no children or attachment to your parents

Posted by Madpunter on the LLOY bb today :-

john46 - Northern Italy has very high levels of air pollution from industrial sources, similar to Wuhan.

'“For Italy, especially the northern part of Italy, the air pollution comes from emissions of the industry and transport. In the winter season, the weather conditions are very unfavorable due to temperature inversion that prevents the air pollution from dispersing in the higher layers of the atmosphere.' Copied from the link below:-
https://www.forbes.com/sites/emanuelabarbiroglio/2020/02/29/cities-in-poland-and-italy-among-europes-100-most-polluted/#6871c3358fde

Spain is also seeing a higher level of mortality with COVID-19, which could be explained by the higher levels of air pollution.

15 million Spaniards are breathing air the EU considers polluted
https://english.elpais.com/elpais/2018/12/05/inenglish/1544008632_514634.html

Posted by TheFarEnd on the LLOY bb yesterday :-

Status of COVID-19
Apologies if posted before, but this maybe relevant to the discussion.

As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

Posted by BoomerBower on the LLOY bb yesterday :-

https://amp.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b?desktop=true&segmentId=d8d3e364-5197-20eb-17cf-2437841d178a&__twitter_impression=true

New model from Oxford university suggest Corona had already infected half of UK and it's as fatal as a cold. Only 1 in 1000 need hospitalisation. Mortality probably 0.05%. Boomer predicted this all along. Where is Trevor??

Posted by Theosus on the LLOY bb yesterday :-

John46
Nivqueen is not an antibiotic its a quinine analogue medication.
If you look up chloroquinine its now being trailed against Covid -19. In nut shell it allows zinc to cross over the lipid membrane of the RNA virus and stop it replicating. This guy explains it better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CF_W0XX_Kw

jl5006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CF_W0XX_Kw

Zinc is thought to stop RNA viruses from replicating. In order to get into the cell it needs something like chloroquinine. The video explains it better. It looks an option at least and it won't need to go through extensive drug trials because its already I believe a licence.
In winter I always up my zinc and vit d.

jl5006

This is a bit more info on Zinc..https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/263176
There is a book by the American pharmacist Suzy Cohen which is very useful ( drug Muggers ).. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Drug-Muggers-Suzy-Cohen/dp/1605294160
People don't realise that a lot of prescribed medication can strip out minerals like zinc...
Its a very important mineral for men...

Posted by BoomerBower on the LLOY bb yesterday :-
Have you found the excess mortality yet that was the justification for all this madness? You are rewriting the narrative because they know they've screwed up. The disease hasn't bumped up mortality rates which strongly implies CFR has been working widly overstated on that awful site spewing skewed statistics out. Again I encourage ppl to look at the following stats as they evolve and judge for themselves. Grayling can call me all names
under the sun I don't really care what he thinks. If mortality doesn't spike this next week the whole thing has been sensational nonsense. https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html

Posted by BoomerBower on the LLOY bb yesterday :-

I'd hate to see anyone vulnerable dying next year when we have no money to fund health care. And 10s thousand are dying, plus a mental health crisis created through isolating the most vulnerable. Think man think! I thought you weren't responding to me. Listen to some sense rather than your emotional dogma. You aren't a professor nor do you have any publications. I'm sure you know more than him though lol, or think you do. https://youtu.be/JBB9bA-gXL4

A very interesting video.

Posted by CF73 on the 21st Mar :-

Regarding this arbitration, I sense defeatism amongst a few. Putting it down to weariness, or for avoiding building hope to potentially have it dashed, or even a combo of both. My position on it is very simple - the corruptedness of the GG is visible to me. If it's visible to me, then it's got to be demonstrable for FRR. At the very least, FRR should be able to show the GGs undue, unjust interference and generally obstructive policy and behaviour towards them. FRR should have quite a bit of evidence and a strong case.

Posted by Madpunter on the 18th Mar :-

Oil Could Crash To $10 As World Runs Out Of Storage
The growing supply glut in oil markets could end up filling all storage tanks worldwide, potentially causing prices to drop even further

Global oil storage could overflow in the coming weeks as the coronavirus pandemic has dealt a severe blow to demand while Saudi Arabia has promised to supply 12.3 million bpd—not just in April but also over the next few months.

Reuters reports, citing analysts, that such a development would overwhelm the already troubled oil industry, forcing production shutdowns. Storage facilities—both on land and offshore—are already filling up, the news agency noted, and Saudi Arabia has not yet started to increase its deliveries of crude.

If such a scenario unfolds, some analysts believe oil prices could slide as low as $10 per barrel.

“We believe we have not seen the worst of the price rout yet, as the market will soon come to realize that it may be facing one of the largest supply surpluses in modern oil market history in April,” Reuters quoted Rystad Energy’s head of oil markets, Bjornar Tonhaugen.

Saudi Arabia said yesterday it will maintain oil supply at 12.3 million bpd over the next few months, with exports to rise to a record 10 million bpd from next month, Reuters reported on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, the glut is causing traders to offer their cargos at steep discounts in a desperate effort to find buyers, Reuters also reported. This raises some questions about Saudi Arabia’s ability to sell the excess crude it plans to be producing over the coming months.

“There are no buyers,” an oil trader from the U.S. told Reuters. “Refiners in trouble, exporters in trouble, producers in trouble. This is a disaster with no end in sight.”

“Cargoes are being severely discounted to move as there are little prospects to export and also very few options to store on ship and/or tanks,” another industry source told Reuters.

At the time of writing, Brent crude was trading at less than $28 a barrel, with West Texas Intermediate at $22.78 a barrel.

By Irina Slav for Oilprice.com

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Could-Crash-To-10-As-World-Runs-Out-Of-Storage.html

'“There are no buyers,” an oil trader from the U.S. told Reuters.'

Storage tanks will all soon be full and oil tankers will be sitting at anchor full, so where is the oil that the KSA intends to pump going to be put? They will have to stop pumping and maybe Uncle Sam will then go on the offensive. What if Uncle Sam decided then to bring in sanctions against the KSA? The KSA started this oil price war when the world was already looking at going into recession and losing millions of jobs through the Coronovirus.

Posted by Madpunter on the 18th Mar :-

Dollar2Pound
Is at it's lowest level for over 30 years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51921922

The PoO has dropped to $28.25/bbl for Brent.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Morgan-Stanley-Slashes-Brent-Oil-Forecast-To-30.html

At the current Dollar2Pound rate even a $5bn buyout would be worth 27.3p per share .

$5bn = £4.31/15,760,835,403 = 27.3p.
https://www.dollars2pounds.com/

The current price of oil is very low due to the price war between the KSA and Russia. However, when valuing an asset like Block 12, the future oil price projections are more important, as the oil and gas will flow from Block 12 for decades.

Posted by Madpunter on the 18th Mar :-

CoE Parliamentary Assembly co-rapporteurs : We call upon all political players to find agreement on the issues that divide them
https://www.interpressnews.ge/en/article/106367-coe-parliamentary-assembly-co-rapporteurs-we-call-upon-all-political-players-to-find-agreement-on-the-issues-that-divide-them

PACE monitors: Georgian ruling party, opposition election agreement is a ‘window of opportunity’
https://agenda.ge/en/news/2020/835

Posted by Madpunter on the 18th Mar :-

Part 2

With regard to reform of the judiciary, the rapporteurs welcomed the adoption of the fourth wave of judicial reforms and expressed their hope that they would be implemented promptly and coherently. They encouraged the authorities to continue looking for ways to further strengthen the independence of the judiciary, including with regard to the functioning of the High Council of Justice. They reiterated that a genuinely independent and impartial judiciary will depend not only on the prompt and consistent implementation of reforms but also on a commensurate change in attitude and behavior by all stakeholders concerned.

The rapporteurs welcomed the decision of the ruling majority not to appoint any additional judges to the Supreme Court during the current parliamentary session. They urged the authorities only to appoint new Supreme Court judges after the current legislation for the appointment process has been amended to address the deficiencies noted in the recent appointment cycle. They also urged them to follow all remaining Venice Commission recommendations, in particular with regard to introducing secret voting, reasoned decisions and uniform and transparent selection criteria, in order to ensure a genuinely merit-based appointment process.

While welcoming progress made, the co-rapporteurs encouraged the authorities to further reduce the use of pre-trial detention as its use, which is still very frequent, runs counter to European standards and has contributed to allegations of its instrumentalization for politically motivated purposes. They welcomed the commitment of the authorities and the ruling majority to drafting a new law on administrative offenses, as the current one dates from the Soviet era, runs counter to European standards and Georgian constitutional provisions, and is vulnerable to abuse.

“Again, there is a window of opportunity for the creation of a new élan in Georgia’s political environment, which can be beneficial for the implementation of these reforms and which can give a new impetus to Georgia’s democratic consolidation,” the co-rapporteurs said. “As long-time friends of Georgia, we stand ready to assist all stakeholders with this process in any way we can.”

http://georgiatoday.ge/news/19992/PACE-Co-rapporteurs%3A-Political-Agreement-on-Elections-Offers-Window-of-Opportunity