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Andle,

How can silicon leak? It has no toxic chemicals in it, all it is is silicon.

DW,

Suggest you read this, as you'll see I have actually been VERY generous towards the Hydrogen car.

If you're accusing me of greenwash I suggest you put your verifiable facts on the table, like I am.

https://www.greenoptimistic.com/hydrogen-cars-efficiency/

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Piltick,

Hydrogen cars will NEVER beat EV's on carbon emissions.

The simplest way to spell it out is that if both were powered on solar energy only, the CO2 produced by the cars over their lifetime is made up of the car build plus the solar panel build, plus shipping.

The EV battery is nearly 100% efficient, this drops very gradually but the battery can last 400,000 miles (as proven by a recently sold Tesla which had a new battery at virtually 400,,000 on the clock). The overall efficiency of the EV car is about 85%.

A Hydrogen car is not efficient at all. The power from solar goes into electrolysis, then is pumped to extremely interested high pressure. Then the fuel is pumped into the car. Then the fuel is put through a PEM Fuel Cell. The whole electrolysis to car system process is about 60% efficient. The fuel cell might be 65% efficient maximum. 65% of 60% is 39%.

So every mile that a Hydrogen car travels uses over double the power of an EV and therefore produces over double the CO2 based on the CO2 cost inherent in the solar power.

Then you have add that the Hydrogen car will need it's fuel cell replaced 3 times, maybe even 4 times to get to 400,000 miles.

They state "When the grid is decarbonised, hydrogen fuel cells cars will deliver emissions of 17gCo2 per km, while battery electric vehicles will deliver around 6gCO2 per km."

That means ALL of the grid is powered by renewables or nuclear. Their is NO carbon in the grid at all, none.

Electric Vehicle Charging Stations Market Worth $38.9 Billion by 2027

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/02/17/1985723/0/en/Electric-Vehicle-Charging-Stations-Market-Worth-38-9-Billion-by-2027-Exclusive-Report-by-Meticulous-Research.html

Except their Hydrogen is going to be five nines purity and too expensive for us.

Our fuel cells only need cheap three nines Hydrogen.

Our target operating price is 30p/kW.

Using ITM Hydrogen would likely double the operating cost.

Piltick,

What don't you understand about the expression 'decarbonised grid'???

It applies everywhere.

And most drivers cant even park in the center of a standard parking space, so what chance do you think they have of correctly aligning a car with a charging pad!

And how many billions is it going to cost to dig up all the roads to put charging pads in?

It's a non-starter for public charging.

It can work for busses and taxis, because they have bus stops and taxi ranks where the Vehicles always stop.

Yes, for a car that big it is good to get 4.

If they move to Cobalt free batteries that will drop, as LiPo is much less power dense.

Except that some customers were lining up for the EV Charger over a year ago, that's the reason AFC designed and built it. Those customers would have been kept appraised of the situation at every step, and may have just wanted to see the beast in the flesh before signing on the dotted line.

Also, some smaller fleet owners will have far less paperwork and no accounting hoops to jump through, with basically just the MD or CEO empowered to sign off a deal at very short notice.

And you have those like Welcome Break and Roadchef crying out for this solution.

colinH100,

Turns out you are wrong. EV's have a lower carbon footprint even when the grid is decarbonised.

"Hydrogen fuel cell cars have three times emissions of battery EVs – UQ study"

"When the grid is decarbonised, hydrogen fuel cells cars will deliver emissions of 17gCo2 per km, while battery electric vehicles will deliver around 6gCO2 per km."

https://thedriven.io/2018/11/15/hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-have-three-times-emissions-of-battery-evs-uq-study/

13thmonkey,

Tesla at 4 miles per kW is not the best.

The i3 often gets 5 miles per kW.

My 30kW Leaf regularly gets up to 5 in the warmer months.

They might have more efficient batter technology, but they need it with the size and weight of their cars.

A very good example. Note the cost and timescales for on-grid EV charging points. This is not a one-off, it's the same across the country.

https://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2020/01/motorway-service-stations-say-the-grid-cant-cope-with-ev-charger-demand/

Taskmaster, yes there are.

AFC did their study which showed there was enough demand for and off-grid charging solution to make it worth their time and money developing it.

ROLEC had so many clients asking for an off-grid charging solution that they approached AFC.

Many need articles describe the issues that our solution resolves, several of which have already been posted on here.

"Cheaper batteries, faster charging and greater ranges will make the 2020s the decade of the electric vehicle"

https://www.woodmac.com/news/opinion/electric-vehicle-growth-set-to-accelerate-through-the-2020s/

Including the AFC EV Charger for places where the grid doesn't reach, doesn't have enough spare capacity, cost too much to facilitate the desired level of EV charging capacity, and)or take years to implement.

Also, it looks like ROLEC won't be the only distributor.

"AFC emerging network of EV charging distributors"

As I suggested before, a parallel process where ROLEC sell it to their existing clients (the one's that were asking for an off-grid solution), and AFC sell it to their own customers. ROLEC may well be working in the background with the clients that requested this system. If there's already a large number of them, then they may be waiting to clear those deals before moving on to advertising.

"The ultimate aim of the collaboration is to create an integrated system for sale across Rolec's existing and AFC emerging network of EV charging distributors and customers."