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And the gold medal in the world clutching at straws medal goes to…..

Haggis

Constrict

JGBB (or whatever)

Kitesurfer

Meg

The only honourable exclusion from this list is Bumble, who now seems to have seen the light….

Meg

Most sceptics post as a counter balance to the overly optimistic twaddle posted by those who simply cannot accept that they've been turned over. If there was the remotest indication of contrition, then maybe, just maybe, the sceptics would keep quiet..

Garonne...............not sure where you got that from?

Ginge

Not bothered now, but you were pretty vocal in the company's defence until not long a go though....so are you saying that, in spite of the sceptics being proved spectacularly correct, the negativity is unjustified?

Meg

Sorry to crumple your tin foil hat, but no one needs to pay anyone to drive this down, the company manages that quite nicely itself......

In the past, there has been some justification for taking a more optimistic view on the company's potential, and generally, whilst the relative positions of the ubers and the sceptics have been pretty entrenched, its worth noting that 95 percent of the former uber gang no longer post responses to any of the criticisms levelled at the company by the sceptics. Does this mean that they are now beginning to (grudgingly) accept that the sceptics may just have had a point, and that, looking at the weight of evidence stacked up against the company, any form of defence would be a difficult construct in the first instance, but secondly would look completely risible?

I suspect that the above is the case for the majority of the (former) ubers, but there is always the exception, namely Haggis and his multiple aliases (we all know who they are) who keep spouting the same unsubstantiated drivel about where the company is going again and again, and again.....the question really is how a single entity, using multiple aliases is allowed to hijack a board and move it away from a forum for rational discussion, and turn it into a totalitarian state, where only one narrative is allowed.

The question really is whether this indivdual, in their many guises is either pursuing this ridiculous campaign and a remunerated basis, or whether they are simply some kind of delusional fool who has bet the house on this thing, and simply cannot accept that they might just have been had, either way, their actions are damaging to a forum which should be a platform for reasoned argument, which this one currently most certainly isn't.....

Rant over

"My gut feeling suggests there's been a big delay affecting production and therefore the expected sales and revenue."

They're producing a product that is flying onto the she4lves, but not off them.....

"Maybe test results on the ABB unit has not been as expected. If they have, I would have thought there should have been some test data due by now."

Probably precisely as expected, its just that the "expectation" doesn't actually accord with what the company say its delivering 100Kw unit and 50 percent discount, anyone?

"Still believe in the products, but looking like a longer term hold now!!"

The products are legendary.....or should that be mythical

Says you……AIM was one of the company’s most fervent acolytes until he dared say something that didn’t support the jam tomorrow line and was then outed as a heretic…..I know, I crossed swords many a time over his overly positive stance (when is a loss a loss, etc). So I font think that the Melvin line carries ant credence ……..

To all of the delusionists out there. The AFC fuel cell has insufficient charge density to provide the motive power for the Nifty lift on its own. It can only work as a trickle charger, which means that there will still be the requirement for battery storage on the unit. The AFC fuel cell will never be integrated into the lift per se, but may possibly be used as some kind of trickle charger. If this is the case, then happy days, we have made some inroads but to suggest that the AFc unit will actually power the thing directly is the land of fantasy, just the same as using a fuel cell to offer massive instantaneous charge for car charging using the mythjcal ABB unit......

Construct.

The comment about fitting AFC fuel cells to the niftylift isn't true, is it?

post the link to something that says that it is.....

Bit touchy, are we? never see any of the "lowlife scum bashers" using the kind of prose adopted by you squire....says a lot....

Daz

The question will be who will be defaulting.....my guess is that there will be some CSF built into the deal, and as per usual, AFC wont be able to meet it, so there will be some sort of compromise where the deal is extended "because the market isn't quite ready for this revolutionary tech" kicking the can down the road, just like they did with ABB.....

You're making it up.......just like all of the ramping drivel posted over the years......

I was being ironic mate.....

Take a pragmatic view, regard the money as written off when invested in AIM (it is, after all, the wild west) that way, you're never disappointed when the thing takes a dive, and more inclined to take some off the table on an upswing.

Still no excuse to not vent like billyo when there is a stream of misinformation spewing out from a massively overpaid BOD though.....

Ah Garonne......or should we say "Garmoan"...........you've been dissing this company for ages and ages, blaming Bond for all of it's ills, and then you sell up and disappear over the hills.....and now Bond has gone, and the share price has gone into freefall, and all of the ubers are losing their shirts and beginning to realise that its ain't gonna be jam tomorrow, you have the affrontery to come back here and have another dig at Bond...How very dare you! It's not as if you've been calling it right all these years whilst facing the slings and arrows of the Telegram gang, or whatever they are, is it?

Bondy

I disagree with one of your comments

"Extreme E Fuel Cell - was supposed to be commercial, then they realised no one wanted it because it was too big."

The problem with the Extreme E units wasn't the size, per se, it was the fact that it became apparent that it was incapable of delivering the charge required in an on demand form, and was therefore reliant on a battery array which acted as a large buffer unit which was in effect trickle charged by the cell. It was the sheer size of the unexpected interloper battery pack which was the issue, not the unit itself. In fact, it was only after the Extreme E thing that the requirement to use batteries as a buffer became apparent........

How about, just for a change, we try to get a reasoned debate going. The question to debate is surely, where do we see AFC's future, is it primarily in the supply of devices which can generate electricity from Hydrogen as a feed stock, or is it primarily in the supply of devices that can extract hydrogen from ammonia?

If it is the former, how soon do we believe that the company will have a commercially viable offering, and how long before there will be an announcement of sales of product on a commercial basis, or alternatively the leasing out of a product on commercial terms by the Speedy JV.

If it is the latter, how long do we believe it will take for the company to develop a commercially viable cracker unit which can either be sold into the open market, or again leased out via a joint venture operation?

No hidden agenda, simply want to hear everyone's cohesive views on the matter.....

Nice! Posting a link to a fuel cell powered product. So you’ve given up on AFC’s ability to provide H2 powered infrastructure to charge stuff, and are now just touting anything that uses H2 as a possible outlet for the vast amounts of H2 that the mythical H2 cracker that AFC may just possibly maybe have commercially viable in 16 years (oh, of course, they’ve been on the cusp of having a viable fuel. ELL for that long, but still don’t really have anything that the market wants yet, so maybe not) which has to crack the H2 out of ammonia that someone else has to make……if there were a gold medal for clutching at straws, then you’d win it, chum….

What next….do Jurassic park and resurrect the Hindenburg as a possible outlet for the mythical H2?

Construct Mc Haggis

They are NOT producing 400kg a day……the double speak was that “this is a 400kg a day facility” the company has NEVER said that they have produced that. They are very clever with their weasel words to hive the loons like you just enough to pin your pathetic hopes on without actually telling lies…..

As you say….next….

Are we the only game in town?

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