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Heath

You're spot on. All this comparing electrolysers and crackers is a complete red herring because they are fundamentally different in the way they effectively produce H2. as correctly stated, there are inherent energy (and other) costs associated with the production of the ammonia feedstock which are conveniently ignored when comparing the energy requirement per KG of H2....Main culprit of this smore an mirrors? non other than an embryonic cracker company....

So we have a change of management and same old same old smoke and mirrors.....anyone at all worried by this?

Constructwat

Disprove my logic if you can..........

You're missing he point.....the post is all very positive.....its been running 24/7 blah blah blah......and its produced a massive 2.5MWh of power.....great soundbite, but in reality actually means nothing, other than its been running at a very small fraction of its nameplate capacity (if indeed it actually has a nameplate capacity......It's just another example of the company's overly confident double speak that doesn't actually stand up to scrutiny when not looked at through rose tinted spectacles......

Hahaha!

The Linkedin post ref Brett Aggregates

Ah, so a 200KW cell has generated 2.5 MWh of power over the last few days working continually....Check the math

2.5MWh is 2,500,000 Wh, or, 2,500KWh.......if the nameplate capacity is 250KW, then in order to deliver the afore mentioned 2.5MWh, the thing would need to run for .......12.5 hours.....yet its been running continually for the last several days......so if we say "several" is more than "a couple" and assume that it's "a couple" that's 48 hours......48 hours x 200KW is 9.6 kwH....SO THE TING IS WORKING AT A MAXIMUM OF 26 PERCENT OF NAMEPLATE CAPACITY.....Yeah, that's something to shout about!

Go on, prove me wrong!

"My own thoughts are that it must be to do with what you suggest or planning permission or site building, or maybe the ammonia just isn’t available yet as required"

Err....course not.......growing the ammonia trees takes time, you know......

absolute melt.......

Wow! JW's main attribute is that he isn't Bond....

Funny......Williamson wasn't Balchin, and Bond wasn't Williamson.......

Constructtwaddle.......you just made all of that up.......its a bit like saying "the moon is a great gorgonzola mining opportunity because its made of green cheese"......actually, it's about as plausible thinking about it.....

So, you great clever old sausage, where does the ammonia come from? How is it made? what's the by product? What do we do with the by product?

You are so really very very good at spouting lots of random words purporting to show what a great investment this is, and all of the wonderful positives, but when faced with a bit of a reality check, just get a bit huffy, rather than provide a valid counter argument.....

This would truly be a great example of the “end to end solution”…….errr….where do we get the ammonia from? The great forest of ammonia trees?

Smeggiesdad..........And......It kind of indicates that the company and its ramping acolytes are STILL peddling the "Jam Tomorrow" line without actually delivering anything commercially viable.....

You might not like it, but the doubters have been proven right so far, so why shouldn't history carry on repeating itself.....it's not as if we haven't been in this position before, is it?

It comes to something when even B3 isn't defending the company anymore.....

Constructdrivel

Thanks for your concern….the CFD worked very well, thanks…..required no input from me, the company did it all by themselves…..closed now, just sat waiting like a coiled spring, waiting for boom time, when I’ll offload my massive freebie holding (thanks to the CFD) …… not holding my breath, but hey, ho! If it happens then all good…..

Constructdrivel....

"Brand new cutting edge Technology now available from Afc Energy & Hyamtec!"

"1. The HY-5 Ammonia to Hydrogen cracker units , producing 500kg of Hydrogen per day at £10 per kg, onsite."

No, its supposedly capable of producing UPTO 500KG per day...So your statement is incorrect. UPTO means any number UPTO that number, its not like they said IN EXCESS OF 400KG, is it, but then again, they wouldn't as that sets a known performance metric in pace, which the company has never done.

"2. Afc's new 200kw Fuel cell on site with Brett Aggregates running seamlessly 24/7".

Is that the one that ABB don't seem interested in anymore....oh, no, of course this is the one they need to support the grant application.....so it doesn't really need to be commercial, does it?

"3. Afc's new success with engine combustion as part of the Entice program.Changing the future of Vechile engine technology & now proven."

Its a test bed exercise at the moment, and nothing more. So the H2 ICE is the same weight as a normal ICE, but the suggestion is that you bolt on a cracker in addition to a fuel tank....which will make for a vehicle heavier that the current batch of EV / hybrid....

"4. Afc's new 30kw units powering construction sites, making them Clean & Green."

So who's using them and when . where were they deployed? Dont seem to recall any fanfare about this from any of the involved parties....

"5. Afc Energy's full end to end power solution for off grid & backup power. ( Ammonia supply to cracker units = Hydrogen supply to Fuel cells = Electrical power, onsite & on demand"

But none of this actually exist as a product yet, does it?

Ether absolutely delusional or dangerously ramping for the unwary...make up your own mind, but do so at your peril.....

Hmmm........so much for "special relationships"

Where does this leave us? Exactly where we were before the whole nifty thing got spun up by the rampers....

In your dreams

Ade

TBH..........I don't think anybody really cares what you say full stop. The spelling is an irrelevance in reality, but an illustrator of intellectual capability.....evidenced by the final part of your last missive.....

Ade.....another complete gem

Daz, im using my phone and trying to do 5 things at once, so you will get a few spelling mistakes.

Not quite right, is it? Most phones use a thing called predictive text, which, if an error is to be made, simply select an incorrect word.....in your case, the posts either have incorrect spelling of the intended word, a lack of (or conversely surplus of) apostropie's (yes, that's deliberate, by the way) or incredibly bad syntax or grammar......This kind of implies that, rather than multi tasking on your phone, you're simply illiterate......and also innumerate ......

Ade

Simple fact is, if the unit is considerably more expensive than a comparable diesel (or even H2 IC ) generator of the same capacity, then in order to get the same return on capital employed, the leasing cost needs to be higher, and even if the fuel stock is cheaper per joule, given the comparable fuel in to electricity out, then electricity costs. per unit are necessarily going to be greater with a fuel cell, and thus the thing is not economically viable in the real world.

If you disagree with this statement then back up the counter argument with actual facts please….me making numbers up….thats pits and black kettles territory

Ade....Ok, it may not be 6x, it could be more like 15X, if your estimate of cost is correct......which make the viability even less plausible.....

Construct

I'm here for the same reason I've always been here. To de bunk the partial truths issued by the company, and to act as a counter to the overly optimistic / delusional posts put out by the ubers / rampers (you decide which category you fall into)

Lets not lose sight of the fact that the company has yet to make a single arms length transaction by way of a sale to a non connected company in its entire history.....